Help! HT 2.1 System Suggestions?

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Adameus

Enthusiast
A fellow Texan, about freakin time. We will have to get together one night and show off systems and fav drinks.

Do you run a zone two? Your question struck me as strange.
No, I don't run a zone two....yet. I would eventually like to do it, though, and just wondered how well the application worked directly from the 659 without any additional hardware.

I'll put myself on the frappr map here in a second and hopefully post some pics of my system so far which will show how much crap I can pack into an Ikea TV stand :D

EDIT: OK, I'm on the Frappr map, but it won't let me add a picture.
 
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ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
The zone 2 works great through the 659 and my Harmony controls everything. It is the most powerful little AVR out there:D
No, I don't run a zone two....yet. I would eventually like to do it, though, and just wondered how well the application worked directly from the 659 without any additional hardware.

I'll put myself on the frappr map here in a second and hopefully post some pics of my system so far which will show how much crap I can pack into an Ikea TV stand :D

EDIT: OK, I'm on the Frappr map, but it won't let me add a picture.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
My recommendation:

1) Samsung BD-P1400 blu-ray/DVD player for $350 (free S/H):
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_kk_2?ie=UTF8&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=blu ray player

2) Onkyo SR605 Receiver for $372 (includes S/H):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000OBLARC/ref=dp_olp_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1199980676&sr=8-1

3) Definitive Technology BP10B 42" Full Range Tower Speakers. I got them brand new from a local DT dealer for $700/pr. But the best price I've seen on line is $890 (free S/H):

http://www.homepriceclub.com/item.aspx?eid=1&pid=106650

Total = 350 + 373 + 890 = $1,612, unless you can get a local Def Tech dealer to match the $700/pr price.
 
funked up

funked up

Audioholic
If I was in your position I'd go with the AV123 speakers mentioned, the SVS sub, and the onkyo 605 reciever. Should get amazing sound and be well within you bugget. Plus if you want to uprgade to a 5.1 later on the AV123 guys will definetly be able to hook you up with a great system.
 
Thaedium

Thaedium

Audioholic
I'd prefer to spend less than $1000, but would go up in the $1500 range if sound was worth the extra $$$. I have a relatively small room 15.5 ft X 10 ft and dont especially want to run wires for rear speakers in a 5.1 system. (Nor deal with wireless speakers) The other thing is I want the system to have pretty good low volume sound - I live in a townhome and have a shared wall behind the TV... Late at night I really need to keep the volume down...
In the latter part of this you mention you want your system to sound good when played low. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you've mistook something here, and might be confused and disappointed with any purchase you make regardless. What it is I think you are trying to describe is the ability to play a movie at night at less then you would during the day and still be able to hear all the quiet parts of the movie without having to fiddle with the volume. If this is the case, then you are describing a want for a form of audio compression (IE: Audio DRC or Dynamic Range Compression). What Audio DRC does on a very simplistic and basic level is manage the overall levels and spikes in the presentation. So if you were playing a movie with no compression you would find that during explosions, things got really loud, and that during the sappy love scenes when actors whisper sweet-nothings to each other you can barely hear whats going on. Thats fine if your playing the movie/program at reference levels, but like you've said you live in a townhouse and loudness isn't much of an option. With compression, its possible to mitigate or standardize the levels being outputted by the speakers, and the big explosions are no louder then the quiet whisper scenes (IE; perfect for a townhouse where you don't want neighbors pounding on the wall for you to turn it down).

Now with all that said, pretty much all TV's have audio DRC, but you are going to be bypassing the speakers in the TV. I'm pretty sure, most DVD players have it too, but you should check the specifications of whatver DVD player you choose to purchase in order to ensure that that is the case. You should also ensure your reciever has it as well, or a function often called "Nightmode" which allows you to convienently press a button and have compression enabled for times when you need the explosions quiet/whispering audible/overall not too loud.


So that pretty much just gives you stereo sound? I guess thats always an option - I just keep hearing that the HTIB 2.0 systems emulate a 3-d sound by bouncing off the walls and using the room dynamics?

No. Stereo sound is 2 channel audio, no matter what form of decoding is being used. No HTiB can get anywhere near to surround sound without atleast 5 channels being ran. Any half decent reciever you buy will have decoders such as DTS, Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro-Logic. I believe its Dolby Pro-Logic II that claims to create a more spatial environment or 3d if you will, I'm sure many of the newer decoders have some such claim and ability as well. Regardless, no matter what you get, you wont get a truly immersive soundstage without surround speakers. 5 channel is the minimum for this.


Now, on towards your expectations. If you want the best in anything, be prepared to pay through the nose. You've stated your budgets ceiling, so no, you wont be getting the best out there. But with that budget, you can easily out perform hands down any home theatre in the box with the exception that you will not be able to have a 5.1 channel system. However, you can definently get yourself off to a great start. In all honesty, I'm of the opinion you should save your money for longer and spend $1500 on speakers, and the extra money you've saved to go on the components. A budget of $2500 would completely change your listening experience from a $1500 budget, and for the better.


Good luck man.
 
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spikedfuel

Enthusiast
I really appreciate all of your feedback on this! I ended up getting the following:

Yamaha RXV659 ($339.88 inc shipping)
Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 pair ($924.00 inc shipping)
SVS PB10-NSD ($499.32 inc shipping)

It ran a little over budget - but I think I'll be MUCH happier with the sound than a HTiB that I was initially going for. (and yes... if I ever get a larger house... whamo ;) -- I'm practically there!)

Thank you thank you thank you thank you to all! !!! I'll definitely look further the audio compression settings once all the pieces begin arriving!
 
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bitpoh

Audioholic Intern
Not to add more confusion. . .

. . . but since you mentioned in your earlier post of surround sound effect using reflection off the wall, have you looked into the Yamaha Digital Sound Projector series? The YSP-900 (or the older YSP-800 if you can still find it, should be a bargain) should be within your price range, with leftover for a small sub. You won't have to get a separate receiver either with the YSP. Granted the YSP is not for everyone, but wouldn't hurt to take a look before you make up your mind:
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=556970
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
He just bought something WAY better.
. . . but since you mentioned in your earlier post of surround sound effect using reflection off the wall, have you looked into the Yamaha Digital Sound Projector series? The YSP-900 (or the older YSP-800 if you can still find it, should be a bargain) should be within your price range, with leftover for a small sub. You won't have to get a separate receiver either with the YSP. Granted the YSP is not for everyone, but wouldn't hurt to take a look before you make up your mind:
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=556970
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I assume you mean the Yamaha RX 659?

That should be a nice system...enjoy...
I really appreciate all of your feedback on this! I ended up getting the following:

Yamaha RXV65 ($339.88 inc shipping)
Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 pair ($924.00 inc shipping)
SVS PB10-NSD ($499.32 inc shipping)

It ran a little over budget - but I think I'll be MUCH happier with the sound than a HTiB that I was initially going for. (and yes... if I ever get a larger house... whamo ;) -- I'm practically there!)

Thank you thank you thank you thank you to all! !!! I'll definitely look further the audio compression settings once all the pieces begin arriving!
 
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spikedfuel

Enthusiast
Yep 659 (thanks to all your help). I'll let you know once I get it installed!!! :) :D
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
The 659 is a beast, well worth the money.

Ascend Acoustics Sierra...very nice. You will love them.

SVS...WARN THE NEIGHBORS!

You have put together a very good system.
Yep 659 (thanks to all your help). I'll let you know once I get it installed!!! :) :D
 
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Adameus

Enthusiast
I really appreciate all of your feedback on this! I ended up getting the following:

Yamaha RXV659 ($339.88 inc shipping)
Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 pair ($924.00 inc shipping)
SVS PB10-NSD ($499.32 inc shipping)

It ran a little over budget - but I think I'll be MUCH happier with the sound than a HTiB that I was initially going for. (and yes... if I ever get a larger house... whamo ;) -- I'm practically there!)

Thank you thank you thank you thank you to all! !!! I'll definitely look further the audio compression settings once all the pieces begin arriving!

That sounds like a great system! Congrats!
 

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