Help...hsu vtf2 or the Rythmik LV12R

[CMotaval]

I have a 2500 cu ft room that i will be getting a denon receiver for and the pioneer fs52 for front Bs22 for rear and c22 for the center speakers. I have been debating between the hsu vtf2 or the Rythmik LV12R for my sub a few days no and have not come closer to a decision. The system will be mainly for HT. Can anyone recommend one over the other?

 

[ImcLoud]

VTF2 hands down... my favorite sub, I have a b compared them and the vtf2, sounds better and has more output...

 

[rnatalli]

Flip a coin. Can't go wrong with either.

 

[3db]

Either one is really good. I have the LV12R and that thing rocks, hits 20Hz with authority is extremely articulate. I heard many good things about the HSU as well.

 

[cisco kid]

I am considering both of those subs as well the HSU VTF-2 MK4 or Rhythmik LV12R , but now I am considering 2 x EMP Tek ES1010i subs, I realize they are not as good but to obtain 2 of these for $498 shipped is real enticing and i am sure a pair would sound great in my 15x19 room but i realize they will not go as low but they sure are nice

 

[ImcLoud]

If all you have in the budget is $500 get the dual 1010's but if you can stretch to the 600 get the vtf2...

 

[ousooner2]

I'm kind of wondering the same right now. I have a potential buyer for my Klipsch rw-12d's, but can't decide whether to go with dual e1010i's, pick up something else or keep the rw-12d's


*I can't find max SPL measurements for the rw-12d anywhere!

 

[ousooner2]

I wouldn't mind jumping up to dual lv12r's or a few vtf2's, but I'd like to find some used. Full price is just a little too much of a stretch at this point.

 

[agarwalro]

You could stack the rw12 on one side and put rnatalli's NSD on the other side .

 

[cisco kid]

The HSU VTF-2 MK4 will actually increase in price in 2014. It will bot go any further on sale either over it's current priced based on what I was told last week when I called w some questions.

I have a max budget of 600 , if I spend the 600 I think I will buy the Rhythmik, I highly doubt I would ever by a second one to pair them up because it is just to big.

The dual 1010i's for me will probably be more than adequate since I am coming from an old pos Yamaha. Worst case scenario I am sure I can recoup the majority of what I spend on them to replace w an LV12R or the next step up from there. I think the 1010i's would be quite easy to resell at 225 cause they will return to reg price in the new year.

 

[ousooner2]

You could stack the rw12 on one side and put rnatalli's NSD on the other side .

Haha that would look terrible. Wifey would give me 'the look'! You don't want that to happen to me do you!?

 

[agarwalro]

Yeah but the bone crunching bass will help you get over it pretty quickly.

 

[ousooner2]

I'm about to just suck it up and go with a few Submersives lol

 

[shadyJ]

hey ousooner, your chart isn't quite right, sorry. The scale is wrong for starters, Hsu, following CEA guidelines, uses 1 m burst tests for their measurements, the EMP subs were not tested in the same manner, and the performance difference between them is not nearly as large as you have it. If it was, there is nothing to even consider, by the differences you have the Hsu subs would be hugely superior to the EMP subs. Remember a 6 dB increase is a doubling of loudness, so were sub A 6 dB louder than sub B with everything else being the same, it is effectively like two sub Bs.

 

[ousooner2]

Oh really. Good catch. Didn't realize they were 1m measurements. Thanks for catching that. Is there an 'industry standard' type of way to take a 1m to a 2m?

Also, I see you say they are 1m 'burst' tests. Is that burst significant or different than what the 1m groundplane measurements are?

Thanks for your help. I'll revise them if I can figure that out and repost the corrected file



Edit: Reading this (http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/subwoofer-measurement-data) now. Not sure if it's in there, but it's a start!



Edit #2: So if I have this correct, I'd need to take HSU's 1m groundplane 'burst' (which I'm assuming might be max and not rms) to Audioholics/CEA-2010 measurement standard of 2m groundplane

To do a 1m burst to 2m groundplane (rms) I would need to subtract 9dB from every frequency. If the burst isn't max, then I'd just need to subtract 6dB from every frequency to take the 1m measurement to a 2m measurement


I hope this is correct. If not, please let me know. I don't want to have the wrong thing out there

 

[shadyJ]

Even if you were to adjust them for RMS and distance, I still don't think they would be comparable. There are just too many variables. I don't even like mixing different CEA data sets because of the differences that have cropped up between them. Anyway, the chief difference between the EMP and Rythmik/Hsu is deep frequency output. The VTF2/LV12 will have it, the EMPs won't. Dual EMPs will have response smoothing effects if you take care in placing them. By the way, the Outlaw LFM-1 EX just went on sale for $600 shipped for this week only, this is a substantially more powerful subwoofer than the VTF2 or LV12 and digs deeper than those as well. It is on the level of the VTF3 and XV15.

 

[CMotaval]

Is the outlaw better than the hsu vtf2 for HT?? Still debating which to buy but looks like i need to decide this weekend.

 

[shadyJ]

Is the outlaw better than the hsu vtf2 for HT?? Still debating which to buy but looks like i need to decide this weekend.

I haven't heard the VTF2, but I have plenty of experience with the VTF3, which is about as powerful as the Outlaw LFM-1 EX, so I would assume so. I think you'll get a bigger kick out of the EX.