help choosing reciever for paradigm 5.1 setup

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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
monitor 11
cc-390
adp 390

dsp-3400

what reciever would you buy for this setup? all opinions appreciated.

i was looking at the denon avr-2310 and 3310

thanks
steve
 
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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
will be for threatre and music. budget is 500-1500, really want whats adequate to drive the speakers, room is 18 x 18
 
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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
AVrat thanks for your post. would appreciate some other opinions, some pro help would be nice.
 
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skers_54

Full Audioholic
What features are important to you? Receivers pretty much sound the same as long as they drive the speakers sufficiently so features are the biggest gain as you move to more expensive units.
 
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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
would like reciever to be adequate and pushing my paradigm setup. and be able to adjust everything so it sounds good.

would be nice if someone would give me some reciever choices so i can research them and learn about it better.
 
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skers_54

Full Audioholic
would like reciever to be adequate and pushing my paradigm setup. and be able to adjust everything so it sounds good.

would be nice if someone would give me some reciever choices so i can research them and learn about it better.
Your speakers are very efficient, so pretty much any receiver in your budget will be able to satisfactorily power them. Paradigm's website doesn't specifically state the impedence (just says compatible with 8 ohms) but an HT Mag review says they get down to 4 ohms and have a pretty nasty phase angle in the lower midbass. You'll want a receiver that has a solid amp section just to be on the safe side. The Denons you mentioned are good choices, as are the Onkyo 707/807. A Pioneer Elite receiver would work well too, but I would shy away from Yamaha. Pio and especially Yamaha have reduced the quality of the amps in their lower receivers and I'm not sure how much that translates to their higher level models. If you got something with pre-outs you could easily add an external amp if you run into trouble in the future.

I asked about features because the amp sections don't change near as much as you move up the model lines. So, matching the feature set to your needs is critical to finding what works best for you. The Denons and Onkyos AVRat mentioned will easily drive your speakers, but you may be spending more for features you won't use. We can't advise you on this unless you tell us what you want (besides the ability to drive your speakers).
 
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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
thanks for your informative post. i'm new to buying recievers. compared to the past.


so what features are you referring too?

what are the different features between the denon 2210/3310 and the Onkyo 707/807

which is better for the automatic adjusting the sound balance? i guess the more HDMI inputs the better.

really appreciate your help :)

steve
 
dapack69

dapack69

Senior Audioholic
This is someone else's review of the 807

The Onkyo 807 is considered a "midrange" receiver but it definitely has high end features with high end sound. I will start off first by saying it definitely reminds me of when I first hooked up the legendary 805 receiver. Just recently having the Denon 4310 as well as other newer Onkyo models allowed me to compare it to the latest. So what does the 807 bring to the table?

Besides 135 watts per channel and two Subwoofer outs plenty! You get the new PLIIz Height sound along with Audyssey's DSX. Also DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD processing. SiriusXM presets, Audyssey MuiltEQ, an excellent and intuitive OSD, the latest Burr-Brown 192 kHz/24-Bit DACs and two TI (Aureus) 32 Bit processing DSPs. Not to mention my two biggest surprises, Ethernet UPDATING and scaling with video adjustments with Faroudja's DCDi Cinema Enhancement. Let's start with that...

I didn't expect the scaling to 1080p to be as good as it is. In the pics below you will see some 1080i material but definitely take note of the last few Seinfeld pics which were in 480i. I had the 807 send 1080p out for all those pics. Not bad at all! I was happy when I noticed you could also adjust the picture while still being able to see the picture. Adjustments included: Game mode, Zoom mode, Separate Adjust Modes (1 -3), Picture Mode (Video, Auto, 3:2, 2:2), Edge Enhancement, Noise Reduction, Brightness, Contrast, Hue and Saturation. That is more than enough to tweak the image to an optimal setting. As you can see in the pics below HD movies looked sharp. Football looked colorful and the show Get Out had plenty of eye candy!

My other surprise. Onkyo has officially made Ethernet UPDATING for their receivers a reality. Within minutes of hooking up the 807 I was able to do its first firmware update. It lasted about 20 minutes. Not bad and I am very happy that the days of hunting Onkyo firmware updates are finally over!

So how does the 807 sound? Well with the vast amount of sound options all I can say is... Mid range receiver my ***! This receiver can handle any theater or room and still not break a sweat. Onkyo is going to have a hard time selling their newer high end receivers over the 807. It is that good. I really liked the PLIIz Height sound. I started with Jurassic Park and when the thunder started it absolutely roared in the Heights. Again, if you have the capability for Height speakers and get a newer receiver that does it you have to add them. It is a huge oversight if you do not. Since I have added Height to my theater I can honestly say 11 out of 14 guests (who heard them here) have added it to their own set ups. The others are still planning to! For more on Height read my other review... The Blu ray sound of DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD (with and without Height added) sounded terrific. Movies came alive and had plenty of impact in my theater. More than once I felt my jaw dropping! The Strangers had a huge IMPACT on the Height speakers. Everyone jumped in my theater when a smoke alarm detector suddenly went off into the Height speakers! Knocking and other scary noises became much more immersive. Watching the movie when it first came out without the Height speakers seemed less scary. Watching The Strangers in a completely darkened room with PLIIz speakers will be neck hair raising! Back to DirecTV... Using Onkyo's TV Logic sound made me feel like I was in the Seinfeld audience. Movies also were impressive. As was the show True Blood. Voices were very distinct with creepy clarity. I say creepy because even my German Shepard thought someone else was in our theater! So how was the set up?

I added a few pics of the set up screens. Notice the cool interface in the pics. I wouldn't have expected the 807 to have these high end OSD features. Yes of course you get volume (even on screen when playing 1080p/24 Blu ray titles) but also many more. All at the simple touch of a button (Display) you can see HDMI res in and out, audio coming in and what sound mode you are in going out. Impressive!

The remote (pic below) is nice and down to the point. It also fits comfortably in your hand. Like all the Onkyo remotes you get direct sound mode buttons and input buttons. The most impressive button is the Audio. Tap that button and you can quickly switch Dynamic Volume, Re-EQ, AV sync and many more. All options appear on your screen.

Using the mic (which is included) I was able to do Audyssey within 20 minutes or so. It was very accurate again and I only had to tweak the levels slightly using my old fashioned sound meter. Audyssey truly makes life much easier! The 807's interface (pic below) also makes it easy.

Final thoughts... So how good is the 807? Using it both as a receiver and or a pre-pro I would say it should be fine for at least 3 to 5 years. Especially since you can UPDATE it easily over the Ethernet connection. The 807 has now officially replaced the 805 as the absolute best bang for the buck receiver on the market. It easily beats all receivers below it and many above it. You get terrific sound, great features and very good scaling which can be dialed in to best match your display. If you are looking for the best receiver for 1K and under then the 807 fits your bill...
 
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mlkmgr

Audiophyte
i had an onkyo 605 powering my paradigm speakers. while they are very efficient speakers, the onkyo could not power them adequately at higher volumes. the sound was muddled or garbled together. high volume lacked separation. i switch to a marantz sr5003 and what a difference at higher volume. could actually hear the separation of the highs and mids. the onkyo was very nice, don't get me wrong and had great features, but the amp section was not the greatest. if you do go with an onkyo, be sure it has pre-outs so if you don't like the sound at high volume, you can add an external amplifier. good luck with whatever you decide!
 
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smooth2222

Junior Audioholic
what about the denon 3310,

huge debates on which is better, denon 3310/2310, vs onkyo 807
 
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