HDMI and HDCP compliance issues. Time to kick up one hell of a row

TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
There has been an increase in problems with HDMI interfaces and HDCP compliance issues since Christmas. I have posted on this problem previously. As I expected this issue seems set to rear its ugly head following the Christmas buying season.

I would make the following observations.

There is wide spread misunderstanding that HDMI is just a another digital connection. It is not. There is a digital rights management issue that goes with the package. That Package is the whole issue of the HDCP compliance problem.

The System basically works like this, although it is very complex. There are six digital keys, that have to handshake between the sending and receiving device. For many devices this handshake has to be continuously repeated. This is the repeater architecture question.

Any device that receives and passes on digital data in HDMI is held to a higher standard then an end device, such as a display.

If you want to know who's windows to smash this is the outfit responsible for this nonsense.

http://www.digital-cp.com/home

However they are doing this at the behest of the unsatisfactory individuals inhabiting Hollywood

The purpose behind all this is piracy prevention. However the pirates, especially those in the Far East crack the problem quickly and then the studios want something else. This is an arms race. We the consumers are funding it. However Digital Home protection squeeze a kings ransom out of the manufacturer's in license fees.

Now the Hollywood crowd are just paranoid about devices that output HD signals and even more about devices that receive and output HD signals. The rules here are getting increasingly draconian.

Therefore it is no wonder that I have been fielding requests for help from individuals who have just acquired HD DVD devices. This has been an increasing problem with digital cable and satellite boxes, including HD DVR boxes. For instance my Gefen switcher will not pass an HDMI signal from my latest Direct TV HD DVR, but it would the last one.

Now all this is in my view and others a flagrant violation of existing fair use laws. This unsavory Hollywood crowd need their pants sued off them.

This is an organization that is valiantly trying to help and needs the support of all of us.

http://www.eff.org/issues/digital-video

In addition we need to lobby our federal legislative representatives. Steve Jobst is right. We need to outlaw DRM. It is an unfair burden on the consumer and in my view fraudulent, as you have to do a lot of digging to get to the facts, they don't want the consumer to know. They want the customer to think it's all the manufacturer's fault, which it isn't.

Worse the ground rules change like shifting dessert sand with minimal disclosure and release of inadequate technical details, which creates impossible problems for manufacturers. Basically Hollywood will not be happy until HD devices only output to end devices such as displays.

To add insult to injury the new rules call for new HD devices to downgrade to 480i to the analog outputs, and that includes component video.

These are posts I have done previously.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=328741#post328741

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=344883#post344883

I have also done quite a few posts today in response to customers who can't view there new high definition players when connected to the HDMI ports of their receivers.

Now this issue is not one to ignore. It's time to kick up one hell of a row, especially in this election year.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

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I don't know if this is still happening, but when the new Dish HD DVR came out, it didn't work over HDMI. Last time I checked, about 3 or 4 months ago, customers were still waiting for a firmware fix. Yes, it is sad that millions of consumers are paying the price of paranoid execs and both organized crime and armchair/living room pirates and 12 year olds with limewire.
 
If you want to know who's windows to smash this is the outfit responsible for this nonsense.
You're somewhat attacking the wrong people... HDCP has been a cluster because Silicon Image (aka HDMI Licensing LLC, aka SimPlay Labs, aka PanelLink) didn't add HDCP into it's exhaustive spec until late this year.

Basically it was every manufacturer for themselves... They then charged them exorbitant fees (via Simplay and their expensive ATC testing/certification process) to do the "best they could" to ensure interoperability.

Now that the HDCP spec is integrated into the ATC spec for HDMI I seriously doubt things will get worse. In fact, it's now finally possible for them to get better.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
You're somewhat attacking the wrong people... HDCP has been a cluster because Silicon Image (aka HDMI Licensing LLC, aka SimPlay Labs, aka PanelLink) didn't add HDCP into it's exhaustive spec until late this year.

Basically it was every manufacturer for themselves... They then charged them exorbitant fees (via Simplay and their expensive ATC testing/certification process) to do the "best they could" to ensure interoperability.

Now that the HDCP spec is integrated into the ATC spec for HDMI I seriously doubt things will get worse. In fact, it's now finally possible for them to get better.
Well why should they have. HDCP has ruined a good interface, namely HDMI. And worse Digital Protection continually change the rules. My sympathies are with the HDMI developers and the manufacturers.
 

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