Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
HDMI version 1.3 approved
Posted Jun 13th 2006 11:32AM by Matt Burns
compliments of HD Beat

HDMI 1.3 just got approved and it sure is pretty. The system received an overall speed boost to better handle future HD content and "deep color." This will be used to support 1080 X 60 Hz with 36-bit RGB color, or 1080p with 90Hz. The big news comes with the bump up of RGB support. The current HDMI spec "only" supports up to 24-bit RGB which is truly all the eye can see. 1.3 however allows for 30, 36, and even 46-bit color. Most of the time when 36-bit color is utilized, it is for GUI overlays and things of that nature. This allows for the image underneath not to be modified when the overlay is present. Even so, this will allow for over 1 billion possible colors. The PS3 is said to take advantage of this and could have even been one of the reasons it was delayed.

HDMI 1.3 will also support the lossless formats of Dolby HD and DTS-HD along with a new type of HDMI connector for smaller HD devices. It seems that this new mini connector is what Sony has put on their newest SXRD-based XBRs but left off of the A2000 line. Lastly, 1.3 has a system built-in similar to Panasonic Viera Link. It allows for the HDMI device to configure the HDMI display - in since they will talk to each other.
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HDMI 1.3 sports 'Deep Color'
Written by Andreas G 14 June 2006 19:50
compliments of Nordic Hardware

The HDMI technology (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) is about to enter the PC market after becoming fairly common with home electronics. But if one might think it would be easy just to wait for the first HDMI-capable graphics cards for your PC it seems that has now been made a lot more complicated. HDMI LLC, the group behind the standard, has now announced that it has upgraded the specifications for HDMI and the HDMI 1.3 specification is considerably more future-proof than today's version. It has namely increased the frequnecy of the interface to 225MHz, from today's 165MHz, and this increase in bandwidth makes it possible to handle a 1080p resolution at 90Hz with 36-bit RGB color depth.

The color depth is something that has been tuned with the HDMI 1.3 specification by added support for the Deep Color technology. Deep Color makes is possible to use 30-, 36- and 48-bit RGB color depths, which is big step up from today's monitors which often use 24-bit RGB, up to 16.7 million colors. This will resulty in considerably better color reproduction as the human eye can't even distinguish higher color depths than 36- to 48-bit RGB.

HDMI 1.3 also sports the new sound formats Dolby HD and DTS-HD, but when the first HDMI 1.3-capable units arrive is yet to be announced.
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And this article taken from Extreme Tech 6/12/06 had some good info on the new HDMI format:

The key addition to the new specification has been the support for 30-, 36-, and 48-bit RGB or "deep" color, a specifcation that extends color depths beyond the capability of the human eye to perceive them.

The ITU 601 standard, which governs today's displays, allows only 60 to 80 percent of the available colors, even if the display can support more, Chard said. "The color bit depth [of today's displays] is typically 24-bits RGB – that gets you 16 million colors, and the human eye can distinguish that," Chard said. "That leads to scaling and onscreen effects which you can pick up. Either 36-bit or 48-bit RGB is beyond the ability of the human eye to distinguish."
 
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MACCA350

MACCA350

Audioholic Chief
Thanks Buckeyefan 1, now It's up to the manufactures to implement this and include decoding for all the new formats that can now be transmitted. Hopefully this is the true one cable solution we've all been waiting for, especially for SACD, DVD-A and the new Blu-ray and HD-DVD formats;)

cheers:)
 
ironlung

ironlung

Banned
There is still a big hole under my TV waiting for that 1.3 compatible reciever.



Maybe next year:( :mad: :( :mad: .
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
HDMI 1.3 and audio

Here's some more info - I'll post it as I read up on it. This pertains more to the audio side of HDMI 1.3.

By Shane Buettner, UltimateAV

Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS' DTS-HD are the next-gen audio codecs that will be offered with HD DVD and Blu-ray. Both Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD will have backward-compatible core 5.1-channel soundtracks imbedded in their signals that can be carried over standard S/PDIF digital interfaces and decoded by the current generation DTS and Dolby Digital decoders in our AVRs and surround processors. Both formats are scalable and will offer much higher data rates than the current lossy formats, and both DTS and Dolby are offering full lossless compression formats with bit-for-bit reconstruction. Dolby's TrueHD uses Meridian Lossless Packing , while DTS' lossless format is the proprietary DTS-HD Master Audio. On HD DVD and Blu-ray both codecs will boast lossless coding for up to eight discrete channels of audio at resolution at least as high as 24-bit/96kHz. The catch is that the new codecs will only be carried digitally in their native form over HDMI 1.3.

This raises obvious questions given that HD DVD players are due in stores next month, while the HDMI 1.3 spec is due only for the first half of 2006. Blu-ray players are also targeted for the first half of '06, and the announcements we've seen for players indicate April to June. How can players incorporate a spec that isn't complete? Ditto goes for any HDMI-compatible surround processor released before the HDMI 1.3 spec is done.

Advisor to the Toshiba HD DVD Group Mark Knox offered a few potential answers. One, he intimated at CES 2006 that it's most likely that the initial HD DVD releases will have current standard DTS and Dolby Digital soundtracks, but at the highest data rates possible (DVDs usually run at lower audio rates to save more bits for the video transfer). Also, six channel analog outputs will be provided on the players, which could be used with the analog multichannel pass-through connectors found on many current AVRs and surround processors.

Going further, Knox also noted that HD DVD players will have the ability to "transcode" the new high-res Dolby and DTS formats to PCM, which can then be carried over the current HDMI spec and should be compatible with a number of current HDMI compatible surround processors and AVRs. Some Blu-ray titles have also been announced as carrying uncompressed digital audio soundtracks as well, which most likely means uncompressed PCM. HD DVD is also spec'd to carry up to eight discrete channels of uncompressed PCM at resolutions up to 24/96, while Blu-ray is spec'd to go all the way up to 24/192.

Knox also informed me that HD DVD players will be software updateable, but it is not yet known for certain that updating to HDMI 1.3 will be a software switch or whether new hardware will be required. All of this news, and the recent revelation that the AACS copy protection scheme to be used by both formats was just completed in the last couple of weeks, raises the question of whether either of these formats is fully complete and ready for prime time. Is the rush to market for both formats increasing the possibility that early adopters may not be able to take advantage of all the new features the new formats promise?

These questions and many others will be answered in the coming months. All we know for now is that it's dicey time to be buying a new disc player or a new surround sound processor or AVR, and formats themselves aren’t likely to be only points of confusion facing consumers as HD DVD and Blu-ray come to market.
 
MACCA350

MACCA350

Audioholic Chief
That last one is pretty old, and some of the info in it has changed.

cheers:)
 
drunkmunk

drunkmunk

Junior Audioholic
Also, six channel analog outputs will be provided on the players, which could be used with the analog multichannel pass-through connectors found on many current AVRs and surround processors.
Does this mean that we'll be able to run the new formats without having to upgrade receivers? or do you think that we'll still have to upgrade in order to get some actual benefits from the newer sound formats?
 
MACCA350

MACCA350

Audioholic Chief
drunkmunk said:
Does this mean that we'll be able to run the new formats without having to upgrade receivers?
Yes
drunkmunk said:
or do you think that we'll still have to upgrade in order to get some actual benefits from the newer sound formats?
For the full benefit of Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TruHD and DTS-HD, I'd say yes.
Running analogue like many of us with DVD-A and SACD you loose 99% of your receivers abilities(think extensive bass management and any form of EQ adjustments for starters) that you now enjoy with your current digital connection and DD/DTS. You will be relying on the players abilities completely and your receiver will act as a simple power amp.

That is why HDMI 1.3 and other such connections have been sought after.

But remember even with a digital connection like this you may need a new receiver with new decoders for these new formats if you want all those benefits. I say may, because I think that the HD/BD DVD players were supposed to allow you to convert these new formats to Multichannel PCM and send over the HDMI 1.3(and maybe 1.1) to your current receiver which may be able to apply its abilities(I think I read this on Dolby's site somewhere but this may not be 100% correct)

cheers:)
 
W

wbhphilly

Audiophyte
I'm trying to put together a home theater system for my new house, but it seems like everytime I feel confident about a t.v. or a receiver, more news comes out like this 1.3 hdmi. I'm planning to buy a 50 in plasma with 1080i and 2hdmi inputs. I guess this t.v. won't have any chance of taking advantage of 1.3 benefits? Any recommendations for a receiver (around $500) that will allow me to take advantage of 7.1 surround sound movies when they become prevalent?
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
Hdmi 1.4

When we thought we were future proof with HDMI 1.3, talk is now brewing about HDMI 1.4. When will the insanity stop?

Take this for what it's worth. It's from a rival forum.

Version 1.4 allows you to specify which component does the video processing, source or display.
 
Buckeyefan 1 said:
Some more info on HDMI and Type B connectors (Clint, isn't this the type of connection you were hoping for?)
No, it's just dual-link and an even more fragile connection than the normal HDMI connector.

HDMI 1.3 is hitting the industry smack in the face. It represents more than an incremental change and to be honest, is way too far ahead of its time to be practical or appropriate. It's more of a calculated move to head off VESA's royalty-free DisplayPort from grabbing marketshare.

I'm going through the spec now (237 pages) and will be releasing a comprehensive report on just what exactly happened when they released it.

HDMI 1.3 is more of a complete rewrite of the HDMI spec than an incremental adjustment/improvement. As a result, hardware manufacturers now have to figure out how to get almost double the bandwidth through the HDMI pipe - and that's while currently a 15m copper HDMI cable is impossible to make which passes 1080p (sans electronics and boosters).

And that doesn't factor in the availability and licensing of the chips, etc...

Let's just say that it's no longer a surprise why there isn't HDMI 1.3 gear floating around.
 
ironlung

ironlung

Banned
That's great news:)



:mad: :( :mad: :( Maybe next year!!!:( :mad: :( :mad:


Actually it might be sorta good news. I've been holding off on a reciever purchase. It looks like I'm safe with a Denon 3805 for years to come:)

I hope dakmart still has a few.
 
ironlung

ironlung

Banned
Just thought of someting else...

What is the holy grail of blu-ray the PS3 going to do comming out in only a few months? Is it going to have the obsolete 1.1 or skip HDMI completely?
 
I'm still reading the standard... whether PS3 has 1.3 depends on which of the new items are mandatory and when they can get the final silicon out and licensed...
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
I thought I read where the $499 PS3 version is only going to sport component outputs. No HDMI period.
 

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