HD movies only through HDMI?

[Jedi2016]

Just read this article posted on another forum, regarding copy protection on HD/BD players:

http://engadget.com/entry/1234000403050209

Apparently, it holds true for ALL HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players/discs that use Intel's HDCP encryption.

Basically, in order to protect the digital content, the high-definition content of an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray disc will only be displayed through the HDMI cable. If you have a TV that doesn't have HDMI, you're screwed... 480p only, regardless of the source resolution.

Is it just me, or is that the stupidest $^#%ing thing you've ever heard? What's the point of having an HDTV if nothing you'll ever watch on it is actually high-definition? Do they want people to buy these discs at ALL? First they release a format that only HDTV owners can enjoy.. I'm fine with that. Now they're limiting it so only a select few HDTV owners can use it?

How many people here own 1080i televisions without HDMI support? I'd suggest you start writing some nastygrams now, or you'll be assed-out when they start releasing high-def movies.

 

[racquetman]

If you have DVI, you should also be fine (as long as it's DVI with HDCP). You can simply use a HDMI to DVI adapter. Most HDTVs have either HDMI or DVI. I have a Mitsubishi HDTV with DVI, but does not support HDCP. I'll probably be out of luck until I get a new display. Am I mad?? Not as mad as I would be if someone came into my home and started stealing my stuff. You can thank everyone who rips off movies for this dilemma. If people didn't buy pirated movies this wouldn't be an issue. I also like to listen to DVD-Audio. I had to buy six extra interconnects to do that. Life's not fair. Thank the criminals, don't blame the content providers.

 

[Jedi2016]

I know the reasons for it, I just think it's a waste of time for them, and a pain in the *** to boot.

For one, very few "bootlegs" are made by capturing streaming output from the player. They simply rip the data right off the disc on their computers, and this move won't do a damn thing to stop that. We all know it's only a matter of time before the encryption methods are hacked and HD discs become rippable.

Why is it that whenever Hollywood gets antsy about protecting it's movies, it's the paying customers that end up getting the shaft as a result? These days, it seems like the bootleggers are getting higher-quality stuff than the people who actually buy the films. That seem right to you?

FYI, I don't even own an HDTV yet, I hope to buy one within the year. But now I have to do extra research beforehand to make sure that whatever TV I buy can actually watch all the movies I'll be getting. But I'm sure there's a ton of people that will be pretty miffed if this is how it ends up playing out.

 

[racquetman]

Just get a display with an HDMI connector and pray that becomes the standard for a long time to come. You're in good shape seeing as you haven't bought an HDTV yet. I jumped on one a little too early and am stuck without HDMI or DVI/HDCP.

Those who play by the rules always have it rougher than those who don't. Doing a little extra research is a good thing!! That will keep you from regretting your purchase later.

They have to at least make an effort with the copy protection. Of course someone will hack it eventually, but the harder they make it, the more it will discourage the average person from trying to steal the content.

 

[Duffinator]

How many people here own 1080i televisions without HDMI support? I'd suggest you start writing some nastygrams now, or you'll be assed-out when they start releasing high-def movies.

I do, my Toshiba 56H80 is almost five years old. I'm screwed but I've known this for a couple of years now. The nasty grams won't do any good as they went out two years ago and nothing changed. The past week I've been trying to talk my wife into an upgrade so I can sell my TV before the masses figure this out. I'm chomping at the bit for any HD DVD format but it's going to be very expensive for me.

 

[kay]

Just like the original DVD CSS encryption scheme, this will be cracked in time to come. So all we'll be left with is inconvenicence because the criminals will find ways around the protection one way or another.

 

[jotham]

This ridiculousness is a large part of the reason that I have not invested in anything HD-related.

Realistically though, I will upgrade when there is enough content. I'll buy whatever I want to watch and then I'll illegally rip it so that I can enjoy it the way I want. This is the way I handle my CDs, I pay for them and when necessary, I crack their protection so that I can load a copy onto my iPod.

The more inconvenient and expensive Hollywood makes this process, the more likely it is that people will break the rules.

 

[Spiffyfast]

I was lucky enough to make a buy on an HDTV that has DVI and HDCP, the model is only a year old. I didnt even know about the new copyright protection only alowing HD content through HDMI/DVI. It's just one of those things, luckily most of the population hasnt made the jump to HDTV although now DVI or HDMI is becoming more standard

 

[goodman]

Basically, in order to protect the digital content, the high-definition content of an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray disc will only be displayed through the HDMI cable. If you have a TV that doesn't have HDMI, you're screwed... 480p only, regardless of the source resolution. /QUOTE]
I have feared this outcome ever since I first heard the news of HD-DVD and BD. So, I won't buy either format and will continue to receive HD content exclusively from Time Warner. Do we deserve this for being early adopters?

 

[BMXTRIX]

goodman -

What do you think the broadcast flag is all about? Yep, it eliminates your ability to watch regular HDTV using analog component video connections and puts HDCP over a digital connection onto your regular tv viewing.

This isn't a BD/HD-DVD thing, it is all about HD material and someone thinking that they will be safer with a little copyright protection embedded. Of course it is BS and my 2 year old projector with non-HDCP DVI on it makes me SOL.

I'm not complaining really - I fully expected this to happen and will just get something new and sell what is old or relegate it as a gaming machine for my son.

Sorry kid, your stuck playing PS3 on the 80" wide screen.

 

[nav]

I know the reasons for it, I just think it's a waste of time for them, and a pain in the *** to boot.

For one, very few "bootlegs" are made by capturing streaming output from the player. They simply rip the data right off the disc on their computers, and this move won't do a damn thing to stop that. We all know it's only a matter of time before the encryption methods are hacked and HD discs become rippable.

The "encryption" (I'd rather call it "scrambling") doesn't even need to be broken for mass-reproduction of the disk to occur: just copy the source bit-for-bit and the player will still do the descrambling on the bootleg disk. Unless they can think of something really clever, it'll be just like DVD with CSS: worthless obfuscation of the data that, by design, cannot do anything to hinder real pirates.

 

[Spiffyfast]

Sorry kid, your stuck playing PS3 on the 80" wide screen.

Isn't PS3 going to be hdmi b/c it uses blu-ray, wonder if the digital connections will still need to be HDCP compliant

 

[GettinDegreez]

Well here is some good news for those people without HDCP, you don't have to waste all that money you spent, but you gotta shell out just a little more for this little device. Hopefully it will come into play.

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000230050640/

 

[Duffinator]

Well here is some good news for those people without HDCP, you don't have to waste all that money you spent, but you gotta shell out just a little more for this little device. Hopefully it will come into play.

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000230050640/

Nice find. I believe they make DVI to component cables (not 100% sure on that) and if they do I could be in business with my existing 5 year old HD Toshiba. Here's the maunfacturers site:

http://www.spatz-tech.de/spatz/dvi_magic.htm

 

[Spiffyfast]

That's perfect, there always a way around new copy protection, its stupid how they are screweing over ppl with this HDCP, the odds are that if you have something that uses component video or Non-HDCP DVI then you arent the person that is pirating the video anyway, b/c you have the money to purchase it legally, or well you spent all your money on a tv and have no money left to buy a dvd, either way, who cares, they already found a way around it

 

[racquetman]

not perfect

That's perfect, there always a way around new copy protection, its stupid how they are screweing over ppl with this HDCP, the odds are that if you have something that uses component video or Non-HDCP DVI then you arent the person that is pirating the video anyway, b/c you have the money to purchase it legally, or well you spent all your money on a tv and have no money left to buy a dvd, either way, who cares, they already found a way around it

I don't know if I'd call a $480 device a perfect solution .

 

[Spiffyfast]

well $480 vs. how ever much it will cost to replace your existing tv..... probably will be less and if someone is desperate to have HD content on their existing display that they may have paid 3k for a few years ago thats about as "perfect" as whats available right now

 

[goodman]

goodman -

What do you think the broadcast flag is all about? Yep, it eliminates your ability to watch regular HDTV using analog component video connections and puts HDCP over a digital connection onto your regular tv viewing.

This isn't a BD/HD-DVD thing, it is all about HD material and someone thinking that they will be safer with a little copyright protection embedded. Of course it is BS and my 2 year old projector with non-HDCP DVI on it makes me SOL.

I'm not complaining really - I fully expected this to happen and will just get something new and sell what is old or relegate it as a gaming machine for my son.

Sorry kid, your stuck playing PS3 on the 80" wide screen.

I'm not so concerned about my $1,000 direct-view CRT receiver, but I'm really bummed about my $7,500 DLP projector. How many HD capable TVs have been sold with only component outputs? Does anyone know? It's only a thought so far, but I am thinking class action law suit by all of us with only component outputs against all of the content providers who have insisted that the manufacturers provide the HD content only through HDCP digital outputs.

 

[Duffinator]

I'm not so concerned about my $1,000 direct-view CRT receiver, but I'm really bummed about my $7,500 DLP projector. How many HD capable TVs have been sold with only component outputs? Does anyone know? It's only a thought so far, but I am thinking class action law suit by all of us with only component outputs against all of the content providers who have insisted that the manufacturers provide the HD content only through HDCP digital outputs.

Class action lawsuit is not a bad idea and it's been discussed over at HT spot dot com but that was a couple of years ago. I haven't spend much time there since I found this forum but if anybody finds something please post.

 

[warhummer]

Hdcp

I may be totally off base here, but didn't they just put the brakes on the HDCP implementation? Either a congressional or judicial ruling?