yettitheman

yettitheman

Audioholic General
02/16/08 Update:
Reuters cites an NHK Japan source stating that Toshiba will be officially pulling the plug on HD DVD as early as next week. "We have entered the final stage of planning to make our exit from the next generation DVD business," said the source, who asked not to be identified.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10704

:(
At least I have a really cheap upconverting player :D
 
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1tribeca

Audioholic
You might be surprised how insufficient the upconverting is on your HD DVD. Spend the large coin for an Arcam DV139!!!
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
You might be surprised how insufficient the upconverting is on your HD DVD. Spend the large coin for an Arcam DV139!!!
Actually the cheap A3 & A30 upconverts much better than I expected, better than my 3910; and if any better it would be truly near HD quality.
 
yettitheman

yettitheman

Audioholic General
You might be surprised how insufficient the upconverting is on your HD DVD. Spend the large coin for an Arcam DV139!!!
If I had a TV that would warrant a large difference in upconversion quality... then perhaps. The A2 does just fine considering it cost me $98 :D
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Toshiba may drop HD DVD format: report
Updated Sun. Feb. 17 2008 7:43 AM ET

The Associated Press

TOKYO -- Japanese electronics maker Toshiba might withdraw its HD DVD next-generation video format, Kyodo News agency reported Saturday.

The report cited unidentified individuals from the industry as saying Toshiba Corp. is reviewing its operations, with the timing of the withdrawal to be decided later, depending on U.S. demand for its HD DVD products and other factors.

Calls went unanswered at Toshiba Corp.'s Tokyo office, which was closed for the weekend.

HD DVD has been competing against the Blu-ray technology, backed by Sony Corp., other makers and five major Hollywood movie studios.

Recently the Blu-ray disc format has been gaining market share, while Toshiba has been forced to slash prices to sell its HD DVD machines. A Toshiba pullout would signal the almost certain defeat of HD DVD to Blu-ray.

On Friday, Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the largest U.S. retailer, said it will sell only Blu-ray DVDs and hardware and no longer carry HD DVD offerings.

The announcement came five days after Netflix Inc. said it will cease carrying rentals in HD DVD. Several major U.S. retailers have made similar decisions, including Target Corp. and Blockbuster Inc.

Last month, Warner Bros. Entertainment decided to release movie discs only in the Blu-ray format, becoming the latest studio to reject HD DVD.

Warner Bros., owned by Time Warner Inc., had been the only remaining Hollywood studio releasing high-definition DVDs in both formats.

Both formats deliver crisp, clear high-definition pictures and sound, but they are incompatible with each other, and neither plays on older DVD players.

Only one format has been expected to emerge as the winner, much like VHS trumped Sony's Betamax in the video format battle of the 1980s.







Report: Toshiba halts HD DVD production, mulling future
IDG News Service 2/18/08

Martyn Williams, IDG News Service, Tokyo Bureau
Toshiba has halted production of HD DVD players and recorders and is close to making a decision on whether to throw in the towel on the high-definition movie disc format, Japanese public broadcaster NHK reported Saturday evening.


The decision, which NHK said will likely cost the company several tens of billions of yen (hundreds of millions of U.S. dollars), is being made in the face of flagging support by movie studios and major U.S. retailers.

"We are making considerations following the impact on sales of Warner's announcement but we haven't made any decision," said Keisuke Ohmori, a spokesman for Toshiba, when reached on Saturday evening. He was referring to the January decision by Warner Bros to stop issuing movies on HD DVD and go solely with Blu-ray Disc.

Other local media reports on Saturday said an official announcement from Toshiba is likely in the coming week.

HD DVD has been battling Blu-ray Disc for just under two years to become the defacto replacement for DVD for high-definition video. HD DVD is backed by Toshiba and a handful of other companies including Microsoft and Intel but Blu-ray Disc counted a larger number of consumer electronics heavy hitters. The main backer of the format is Sony and other supporters include Panasonic, Sharp, Samsung, LG and Philips.

Both formats delivered a similar audio and video quality and the main difference comes down to the movies available on each format. Most movie studios have taken one side or the other so consumers are left with a difficult decision. As a result many have walked away from stores with neither an HD DVD or Blu-ray Disc player and the market has performed poorly.

The Warner Bros decision in January has been seen by many as the beginning of the end for HD DVD. With Warner pulling out HD DVD only two of the major Hollywood studios, Paramount and Universal, are left backing the format.

In the weeks since the Warner announcement things have gotten worse for HD DVD. In the last week Netflix, an Internet-based movie rental company in the U.S., said it would cease supporting HD DVD and then on Friday Wal-Mart, the largest retailer in the U.S., said it would stop selling HD DVD in favor of Blu-ray Disc.


Martyn Williams is Tokyo bureau chief for the IDG News Service.
 
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yettitheman

yettitheman

Audioholic General
Well... there isn't much to think about if they stop making the equipment! :D

HD-DVD head dude: "Uhhh... let's stop making stuff to sell...."
Peon Worker: "So your throwing in the towel?"
dude for HD-dvdvd: "NO! Of course not... :sniff cocaine: we just want to stop making stuff.. and then decide if we give up."
Peon: "Oh. That makes perfect sense. :sniff: " :D
 
The Chukker

The Chukker

Full Audioholic
Well that's that...

I guess this pretty much puts those "other" threads to bed regarding the credibility of the source; looks pretty rock solid. Poor HD-DVD: I barely got to know ya...:(
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Monday February 18, 4:44 PM
Looming end to DVD war cheers consumers
TOKYO (Reuters) - An impending end to a format war over next-generation DVDs boosted shares in both victorious Sony, in the Blu-ray corner, and Toshiba, in the losing HD DVD camp, on Monday as consumers cheered an end to confusion over which discs will carry high-definition movies.
Shares in Toshiba Corp , which a company source said was planning to axe its HD DVD format, jumped nearly 6 percent as analysts praised a move to cut its losses, while Sony Corp shares rose 1 percent.

The Blu-ray win means consumers seeking sharper movies on high-definition DVDs no longer have to choose between rival incompatible formats and run the risk of being stuck with a 21st century equivalent of Betamax -- Sony's videotape technology that lost out to VHS in the 1980s.

Having one format should also help accelerate the shift to the new technology in the $24 billion home DVD market.

"It doesn't make sense for Toshiba to continue putting effort into this," said Koichi Ogawa, a chief portfolio manager at Daiwa SB Investments. "It needs to cut its losses and focus its resources on promising businesses."

Both DVDs can carry high-definition movies, but growing support from Hollywood and big U.S. retailers such as Wal-Mart Stores has given Blu-ray a crushing lead in the war.

Overall sales have so far been small as shoppers, faced with rival machines that played only one type of disc or the other, have held back.

"I was expecting Blu-ray to win but I was kind of waiting it out," said Masahiro Taniwaki, a 26-year-old systems engineer shopping for a Blu-ray recorder at electronics retailer Bic Camera in Tokyo.

Toshiba said on Monday that no decisions had been made on HD DVD, but widespread media reports said the company that has led the HD DVD fight was about to surrender.

"The two formats, though both were good, have confused consumers and prevented them from moving into the high-def future," said Stephanie Prange, editor in chief of Home Media Magazine.

HOLLYWOOD FAVOURS BLU-RAY

The defection from HD DVD in January of Warner Brothers and its huge film library brought the tally of Hollywood movies in the Blu-ray camp to a commanding 70 percent.

Recent sales figures show many consumers had already written off HD DVD, which was also backed by Microsoft Corp .

Blu-ray accounted for 93 percent of next-generation DVD hardware sales in North America in the week after Warner's announcement in January, data from the NPD Group showed.

Blu-ray recorders from Sony, Matsushita and Sharp made up about 96 percent of the Japanese market in the last quarter of last year, said BCN, another research house.

At the core of both formats are blue lasers, which have a shorter wavelength than red lasers used in current DVD equipment, enabling discs to hold up to five times as much data.

Toshiba had billed its format as less costly for the industry as it allowed some existing DVD-making equipment to be reused, but Blu-ray discs had space for more content to be packed in.

Hopes that ending the battle would boost disc sales sent shares in CMC Magnetics , a Taiwan firm that makes about a third of the world's DVDs, up nearly 7 percent on Monday. Other Taiwanese DVD makers also surged.

LOSSES NOW, PROFITS LATER

Toshiba will likely suffer losses of hundreds of millions of dollars to scrap production of its equipment and other steps to withdraw from the business, Japanese public broadcaster NHK reported.

But analysts gave high marks to Toshiba's move to pull the plug on HD DVD just two years after launching its first players. It took Sony more than a decade to quit Betamax.

Nikko Citigroup raised its rating on Toshiba to "buy/high risk" from "hold/high risk." JP Morgan maintained an "overweight" rating while predicting the elimination of sales promotion costs would add 30 billion yen ($280 million) to Toshiba's operating profit in the next business year from April.

Shares of Toshiba hit 829 yen, their highest close since before Warner Brothers defected but still down more than a quarter since the subprime crisis hit last year.

Sony shares have also fallen heavily over the same period, amid growing fears of a U.S. slowdown that would slow consumer spending.

While Toshiba was still officially silent on the fate of its technology, pundits and consumers were clear the war was over.

"Blu-ray won. It's fantastic and I trust Sony," said one customer, William, as he browsed DVD player aisles at the Best Buy Co Inc store on New York's Fifth Avenue.

($1=107.83 Yen)

(Additional reporting by Yoko Kubota and Elaine Lies in Tokyo; Steve James in New York and Lisa Baertlein in Los Angeles; Editing by Rodney Joyce)


This has been the Japanese reaction on Monday.
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
"Blu-ray won. It's fantastic and I trust Sony," said one customer, William, as he browsed DVD player aisles at the Best Buy Co Inc store on New York's Fifth Avenue.

As he drinks the grape Kool Aid........


Sony's President of Public Relations
 
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ParkerAudio

Full Audioholic
While we are all waiting for Bluray to get mass appeal, its business is already getting undermined.
Meet up with a bunch of friends on Saturday, they have no plans to buy Bluray, and are using their DVD players less, opting for their on demand services and pay per view. Same was said of the family gathering we had on Sunday.
This caught me off guard, I thought everyone would agree that a Bluray player would be on their list, but many of them ask why they would buy a Bluray player when the video store is just a click away, and they already have the equipment.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
While we are all waiting for Bluray to get mass appeal, its business is already getting undermined.
Meet up with a bunch of friends on Saturday, they have no plans to buy Bluray, and are using their DVD players less, opting for their on demand services and pay per view. Same was said of the family gathering we had on Sunday.
This caught me off guard, I thought everyone would agree that a Bluray player would be on their list, but many of them ask why they would buy a Bluray player when the video store is just a click away, and they already have the equipment.
While I don't care for HD DVD or Blu-ray, either one would stand a better chance at mainstream rather than VOD. The general public would have to have VOD so simplified for them that it would be as simple as loading a disc on DVD, I see VOD for younger folks that are very comfortable with a PC or likes the novelty of downloading, market research has shown over and over that the majority of folks like physical media, to do with as they wish, this over time can change, one needs only to look at iPODs, but right now Netflix is about as close to VOD the average consumer wants.
 
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ParkerAudio

Full Audioholic
Yes I don't think the kind of VOD on demand that requires you to use a computer or a XBOX is going to catch on very fast. However, the sat. and cable is very easy, and the movies are getting released sooner.
I was surprised that my parents, whom are pushing 70, were renting all their movies off DirectTV and no longer going to the video store.
All they have to do is select the movie, like they would their favorite program, press enter, and they are done. This seemed to be the theme of the weekend with both family and friends.
Same thing is true of the cable box.

I still believe they will sell a lot of discs, but this has got to be eating into profits at places like Blockbuster.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Yes I don't think the kind of VOD on demand that requires you to use a computer or a XBOX is going to catch on very fast. However, the sat. and cable is very easy, and the movies are getting released sooner.
I was surprised that my parents, whom are pushing 70, were renting all their movies off DirectTV and no longer going to the video store.
All they have to do is select the movie, like they would their favorite program, press enter, and they are done. This seemed to be the theme of the weekend with both family and friends.
Same thing is true of the cable box.

I still believe they will sell a lot of discs, but this has got to be eating into profits at places like Blockbuster.
Anyway it's sliced, Hi-Def DVDs are and will be a niche market, like I've said before the true mettle of Blu-ray will be known when it comes challenging SD DVD for supremacy, I don't think it stands a chance, though I can be wrong. Some DVD collectors would have to double dip to keep up. If the economy sours all the way, this will be a moot point as people are not going to spend money on trivialities such as CE.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Yes I don't think the kind of VOD on demand that requires you to use a computer or a XBOX is going to catch on very fast. However, the sat. and cable is very easy, and the movies are getting released sooner.
I was surprised that my parents, whom are pushing 70, were renting all their movies off DirectTV and no longer going to the video store.
All they have to do is select the movie, like they would their favorite program, press enter, and they are done. This seemed to be the theme of the weekend with both family and friends.
Same thing is true of the cable box.

I still believe they will sell a lot of discs, but this has got to be eating into profits at places like Blockbuster.
Sure the sat/cable system is easy, just press a button. But for collectors, there's nothing like having physical media. The problem with Blu-ray is that they will have to come in at a price point that will entice people to buy, I don't see that happening till end of year. Add the economic woes and you have a recipe for disaster, the best price on a BD player (2.0) might be 300.00 by year's end, that's still high for the average American. Actually Toshiba stock opened higher (6%) versus Sony up 1% on the news that it was dropping HD DVD.
 
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