Have bass traps but they are not helping

[Hunter21]

Looking at you graphs, it seems to me that your sub is at least 8 db too high. Remeasure with the sub turned down 8 db.

Those Persona 3 F speakers speakers, if these measurements from Sound and Vision are correct, are not exactly stellar performers.

From those curves I would try bringing the sub in at 120 Hz as well as turning it down. The speaker curves and sub curve would tend to produce the results you are getting. So I would run the fronts full range and bring in the sub at 120 Hz as well as reducing its output 8 db.

Subs too loud are a very common problem.

If I got those curves from a speaker I designed I would consider it an unfinished speaker and continue with design modifications.

Those curves are from the persona package. Your 3Fs are the purple curve.

Funny thing is the sub doesnt seem loud enough at all, I get almost no low end from my seating position that I hear

 

[TLS Guy]

Funny thing is the sub doesnt seem loud enough at all, I get almost no low end from my seating position that I hear

Then my next question is: - What type of program do you listen to? I ask for a number of reasons. Firstly I find people have a very odd idea of how much musical material there is in sub range. If you look at the energy spectrum of music then the real power band is from 80 Hz to 2.5 KHz and especially from 80 Hz to 900 Hz. No matter what you call it if you put a steep low pass filter at 400 to 500 Hz everyone thinks they are listening to just bass, which in fact they are. The speech discrimination band is from 400 Hz to 3.5 KHz, So you really can not understand speech with the filter I describe, although you hear the speech.

So the take home is that what is actually perceived as bass is well above sub territory. Now the measurements I could find in your main paradigm speakers shows a very nasty null at 200 Hz. So I would expect your speakers to sound bass deficient, because on the data I can find they are.

I will say this. I have seen better measurements from Paradigm's recent offerings. Historically when I have auditioned them they have sounded just like that curve I have presented. To me they have only impressed me as being very poorly balanced speakers on the bottom and top end. In fact the very antithesis of a speaker I could be happy and live with.

So I think you may be fighting a loosing battle here.

I am very fortunate that I have never had to go out an buy speakers, and have been able to design and build my own. I do not design and build speakers that have that sort of response. So really I think I have gone as far as I can in the advice I have to give you.

 

[Hunter21]

Yea I probably just have to move to a different room, I do like the speakers though, I'll try to use rew to tame some of the frequencies down though