psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
I built new speaker stands for my rear speakers. I added a piece of marble to the top of each stand instead of setting the speaker directly on the wood. My fronts are on wooden accent tables and I'm considering adding marble tops to those as well.

But,

After seeing the way Whitey80 has his center sitting on the Auralex foam, I'm wondering if I should go with something softer rather than harder.
Is this a personal preference matter or is there a distinguishable difference in sound between hard or soft?

Thanks.
 
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m_vanmeter

Full Audioholic
the advantage of "softer" material is to isolate the support (table or stand) from the vibrations of the speaker enclosure.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Interesting topic of conversation.

I would think...

A soft material for speakers to sit on will help to deaden a speaker some. In a hard room this may help to tone down the speakers a bit.

A hard material can help to brighten a speaker some. So, in a dead room the use of a hard material to couple the speaker to the floor may help to increase the brightness and sound quality.

But, the flip side would be true as well right?

In a bright room, use of a hard material will brighten the speakers further... and vice-versa.

Nothing wrong with trying things both ways, but I certainly wouldn't spend much in that effort until I knew which I preferred.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Personally, I don't think it matters with bookshelf speakers.

When was the last time you felt the SM350s vibrate or resonate?:D
 
psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
SM450's :D

I have not noticed any vibration. I don't listen at 'reference levels'. I was just curious about this. I may play around with different materials and see what happens.
I may also look into to getting, or building, some stands that are sturdier than what I have now for the fronts.

Thanks for the replies.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
SM450's :D

I have not noticed any vibration. I don't listen at 'reference levels'. I was just curious about this. I may play around with different materials and see what happens.
I may also look into to getting, or building, some stands that are sturdier than what I have now for the fronts.

Thanks for the replies.
DOH!:D

My memory has been bad.:eek:

Back when I had the SM450s, I bought some stands that were $150/pr and I filled them up with sand bags; they ended up weighing 35 lbs per stand.:eek:
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
You need to make sure that whatever soft material you use, it won't compress over time with the weight of the speaker.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
What would you rather have come out of your steering wheel in a head-on collision? A hard marble slab, a hard metal spike, or an airbag?

What we are talking about is transfer of energy. Sound is just kinetic energy. Your speakers' cabinets vibrate, and those vibrations get transfered into whatever surface is touching them. The idea behind using a big, heavy, stiff, dense slab of something like marble or concrete is to try and create an inert platform for the speaker - something that will not vibrate. The problem is that it WILL vibrate. Maybe not very much - maybe not enough to be audible in any way. More mass takes more energy in order to get it to move, so having a very massive platform is a viable way to produce very little in the way of vibrations. The problem though is that - just like if a big marble slab came out of your steering wheel - ANY sort of energy that DOES get that slab to move gets transmitted VERY well.

So what about spikes? The notion here is that you are creating an extremely small surface area through which energy can be transferred. The big problem here is that there IS still surface area and the force of the energy does not change! Now, any and all of that vibration's energy just gets "focused" into those spike "feet" and you actually create a much more intense transfer of energy vs if you just rested the speaker flat, using its entire bottom surface area. Spikes are the opposite of reducing transmission of energy from the speakers into the surface below them. Instead, spikes intensify the transmission of energy! You'd actually be safer having a big slab of marble come out of your steering wheel vs having a hard, metal spike! At least the slab would provide a much larger surface area to absorb the force of the impact when your face hits it! The spike is just going to impale you! Much more intense transfer of energy!

Finally, we have the airbag. Instead of trying to remain immovable and inert or focusing all of the energy into a tiny point, an airbag deforms and converts most of the kinetic energy into heat. The force of the impact is spread out over the maximum surface area and rather than transmitting the energy, it transforms the energy and dissipates it.

THIS is what you want to do with your speakers. This is called decoupling. It is a "shock absorber" - a way to take any physical vibrations coming from the speaker cabinet that do exist and make sure that they never reach the hard surface that is holding them aloft.

You might never have a problem with your marble tops. They might be massive enough that the vibrations from your speaker cabinets are never forceful enough to get those marble slabs to move. The marble slabs would effectively be inert in such a case. But I wouldn't count on it. Hard materials like metal, wood, marble and concrete have their own resonant frequencies. At a resonant frequency, it takes very little force to get these hard materials to move A LOT because every tiny, little movement at that resonant frequency just feeds into the next tiny, little movement, and the next, and the next, and so on - eventually building a big, standing wave...just like that famous footage of a concrete bridge rolling like a giant wave when the wind got it moving at just the right (or in this case, wrong) resonant frequency. That marble slab might effectively be inert almost all of the time. But at a very few, very specific frequencies, it's going to move like crazy and "ring" because of resonance.

Spikes on the bottom of your speakers will only amplify that problem - making every movement of the speaker cabinets "felt" more intensely by the surface on which they are sitting.

The best solution is decoupling - the Auralex MoPads foam or some other "squishy" surface that will act as a shock absorber. With a decoupling device in place, your speaker cabinets can vibrate all they like. That energy will simply deform the decoupling pad and that deformation will transform that energy into heat and you will never get the problems of a hard surface beneath your speakers moving in sympathy with the vibrations of your speaker cabinets and creating additional sources of noise and distortion.

Embrace decoupling, folks! I don't know about you all, but I'd rather have the airbag every single time!

;)
 
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corey

Senior Audioholic
My thought is go with both. I think a stack of soft-hard-soft will give you better isolation than either used alone.
 
just-some-guy

just-some-guy

Audioholic Field Marshall
You need to make sure that whatever soft material you use, it won't compress over time with the weight of the speaker.
not only that. but some materials will stick to things after they have been there for a while. this "may" cause damage, though probably not.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I have Auralex MoPads under all three mains. Absolutely works.



 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
I have Auralex MoPads under all three mains. Absolutely works.
Wait a tic, j_garcia ! MoPads under your speakers but no GRAMMA under your subwoofer?! Or is it just that your Epik is a bit larger than the surface of the GRAMMA and we can't see the isolation riser under there in the pic? ;)
 
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