Green Mountain Audio Europas

[JerryLove]

cant find the specs on these on the Green Mountain website.......

That reminds me: if anyone has the impedance ratings, sensitivity, etc for these drop me a note.

Or, if anyone local wants to run the tests to get this info: I will make the speakers available. I'm basically working with a PC and a mic.

 

[GranteedEV]

That reminds me: if anyone has the impedance ratings, sensitivity, etc for these drop me a note.

Or, if anyone local wants to run the tests to get this info: I will make the speakers available. I'm basically working with a PC and a mic.

According to an audiogon post by the designer, they're 89db sensitive, a relatively flat 4 ohm load, and you should use them with audio magic cables, Edge solid state amps or Manley tube amps and whichever power cord you find gives you the best sound by auditioning as many as you can.

cause we know they have that "special something"

 

[KEW]

cant find the specs on these on the Green Mountain website.......so why not buy the Blumenhofers....made in small chalet above the timberline in German Alps by an isolated genius not infected by myths of world audio market....

http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/blumenhofer/1.html

He is not too isolated if he is buying off-the-shelf drivers and using a Felder (drool) table saw (if you can still call it a table saw)!
But I guess that does fit the 6moons mantra of "romanticizing gear instead of measuring it"!

He's of course long outgrown cardboard boxes which eventually gave way to today's centimeter-thick Plywood affairs.

Are they serious???
1 cm is approximately 3/8"!!!
I guess it is better than cardboard...

 

[GranteedEV]

i can't believe anyone even reads 6moons. They're more sensationalist than a tabloid.

 

[JerryLove]

Are they serious???
1 cm is approximately 3/8"!!!
I guess it is better than cardboard...

I thought that too. I looked at the pics and the thickness looked deeper than that.

 

[highfigh]

He is not too isolated if he is buying off-the-shelf drivers and using a Felder (drool) table saw (if you can still call it a table saw)!
But I guess that does fit the 6moons mantra of "romanticizing gear instead of measuring it"!

Are they serious???
1 cm is approximately 3/8"!!!
I guess it is better than cardboard...

The corners won't flex and as long as the areas of highest deflection (the mid-points between intersections) are well-braced, the resonances should be outside of the woofer's range or at least diminished enough that they'll be as inert as anything else out there.

 

[tom67]

He is not too isolated if he is buying off-the-shelf drivers and using a Felder (drool) table saw (if you can still call it a table saw)!
But I guess that does fit the 6moons mantra of "romanticizing gear instead of measuring it"!



Are they serious???
1 cm is approximately 3/8"!!!
I guess it is better than cardboard...

Yeah, site too technical......should have photo shopped in Julie Andrews whirling and singing on on his mountain top with facility in background...Is a "drool" saw like a wet saw that uses saliva?

 

[cornelius]

Jerry that's cool that you picked up a pair to try out. I used swear by time coherent speakers - For home I listened to Vandersteens and Meadowlark Audio, and in the studio Duntech, Lipinski and Sequerra. I liked the open, natural (and usually) neutral sound from those speakers.

I used to think there was no other way to design a speaker, but I've since moved on... I haven't had a chance to hear anything from Green Mountain, so I'm curious to hear your findings.

 

[Shakeydeal]

I've owned Meadowlark and Vandersteen speakers. Vandys from the 5A down aren't very resolving, pleasant to listen to, but boring. The Shearwaters just didn't do it for me at all. IMHO, GMA has it all over them.

Shakey

 

[JerryLove]

THIS IS JUST PRELIMINARY

But here are three measurements of FR

Pink is very nearfield at the woofer center
Blue is very nearfield at the tweeter center
Black is from about 1m back

 

[KEW]

I used to think there was no other way to design a speaker, but I've since moved on...

So, what did you move on to?

 

[KEW]

Yeah, site too technical......should have photo shopped in Julie Andrews whirling and singing on on his mountain top with facility in background...Is a "drool" saw like a wet saw that uses saliva?

Forget Julie Andrews! I want speakers exorcised of Distortion Demons by druids while sacrificing two white bulls... after they were enhanced by lots of nubile wood nymphs!
Now we're talking real sound quality!

 

[highfigh]

Yeah, site too technical......should have photo shopped in Julie Andrews whirling and singing on on his mountain top with facility in background...Is a "drool" saw like a wet saw that uses saliva?

No, a drool saw is the kind that makes a woodworker tool-junky drool when they hear about it. Tannewitz is another one. They made jointers that were able to take 24" wide boards/timbers and the tables are about 8' long, if not longer.

Just right for making bird houses.

 

[Shakeydeal]

Ok, so?

How do the damn things sound?

 

[JerryLove]

I did warn against breath holding.

They sound different. I don't know that I am ready to add to my first impression (though I did no listening after two nights ago until this evening).

I will put up a full evaluation when I can. There is much to do. For one thing I'm currently trying out various with-sub configurations. I am also hoping to setup an abx test.

It is more important to me to be right than fast. These do stand out, but at this moment I am unable to confidently quantify, an unwilling to qualify that was good or bad.

They definitely have their own voice.

 

[KEW]

I did warn against breath holding.

They sound different. I don't know that I am ready to add to my first impression (though I did no listening after two nights ago until this evening).

I will put up a full evaluation when I can. There is much to do. For one thing I'm currently trying out various with-sub configurations. I am also hoping to setup an abc test.

It is more important to me to be right than fast. These do stand out, but at this moment I am unable to confidently quantify, an unwilling to qualify that was good or bad.

They definitely have their own voice.

I appreciate your caution. I'm convinced that there is music which will complement about every speaker out there (for example, Bose doesn't sound too bad in the Bose Store playing their own demo CD's). It is important to listen to a wide range of music to get the overall picture of the speaker.

 

[cornelius]

KEW - I'm using Harbeths now. I had a pair of Ohm MicroWalsh Talls for a few years, which was my first departure from true time coherent types. I never saw a step response on the Ohms, but from what I gather, they were pretty darn close to time coherent - very simple 1st order crossover, which handed off to the tweeter at 8k. Essentially a full range driver (8k down to ~ 40k) and super tweeter. They shared a lot of the qualities of time coherent speakers, but without some of the drawbacks (listening position...).

The Harbeths are the complete opposite of a 1st Order xover type of speaker. Very complex xover - but I love the sound - incredible speakers -and they're the perfect apartment speaker. I've never heard a monitor sound so good at low volumes (good for the neighbors).

As far as audio concepts go, I really like Harbeth's approach. Alan Shaw, the designer, doesn't recommend fancy cables or expensive amplifiers, and explains that Harbeths sound great right out of the box - no break-in necessary.

On a professional level, we still use time coherent speakers where I work. One room has a pair of Lipinski monitors, which are one of the best studio monitors I've ever heard.

 

[emorphien]

I'm curious to hear your final thoughts. I've heard of these guys before and always wondered how they were since they seemed to be interestingly made.

Also, haven't heard the Ohm MicroWalsh Talls mentioned in a few years, cornelius!

 

[Shakeydeal]

I appreciate your caution. I'm convinced that there is music which will complement about every speaker out there (for example, Bose doesn't sound too bad in the Bose Store playing their own demo CD's). It is important to listen to a wide range of music to get the overall picture of the speaker.

You mean you think that's more important than how they measure? Wow, I'm floored. The general attitude around here seems to be more about waterfall plots and frequency response graphs. That's interesting stuff for sure. But at the end of the day, I'm more interested in that intangible quality of being drawn into the music.

Shakey

 

[Rickster71]

I can't speak for anyone else, but he's my 2 cents:
Waterfall plots and frequency response graphs will get us a know good sounding speaker.
With that, a graph or plot of our latest hearing test, to see how they coincide.
What good is the perfect speaker, if our hearing exaggerates or minimizes certain frequencies?