Good quality speaker cable Recommendation?

[russ_l]

Another Recommendation

Here's a reasonably priced very high quality source of cables. http://www.signalcable.com/. The owner is a pleasure to work with. Marty DeWulf at Bound for Sound is very high on the Signal Cable interconnects speaker wires and power cords. I use the interconnects and speaker wire.

This flame should hopefully be ending soon but I'll add a little more fuel to the fire. Those that say "wire can not make a difference" simply do not have a system that is capable of resolving the difference.

Or, in other words, if you substitute for the source in a $499 HT in a box system a top of the line Wadia CD player, will you hear a difference? Of course not, end of argument.

Russ

PS- a good portion of the members of the audio club I'm a member of have Omega Micro cables (the distributor is a member of our club); believe me, you can hear a difference.

 

[R-Carpenter]

The link has some points that are important to this debate-

''''Cabling can make a system sound different. Usually, it's because of capacitance and it doesn't make it sound better. Amps hate it and Kimber Cable had a reputation for killing amps in the '80s because of this.'''''


Why would a nuisance capacitance of the cable affect the sound and how do amplifiers “hate” it?
You have relatively large capacitors, coils and resistors in the crossover. Do you really think that additional 0.003pfd will make the amplifier change it's behavior?

 

[cl35m]

If any company or individual thinks they have a speaker wire that will sound better than my 10 ga solid core romex then I'll gladly do a free in-home evaluation of them and return them within 14 days.

 

[EJ1]

If any company or individual thinks they have a speaker wire that will sound better than my 10 ga solid core romex then I'll gladly do a free in-home evaluation of them and return them within 14 days.

Maybe Ray Kimber will step up to the plate.

 

[highfigh]

The link has some points that are important to this debate-

''''Cabling can make a system sound different. Usually, it's because of capacitance and it doesn't make it sound better. Amps hate it and Kimber Cable had a reputation for killing amps in the '80s because of this.'''''


Why would a nuisance capacitance of the cable affect the sound and how do amplifiers “hate” it?
You have relatively large capacitors, coils and resistors in the crossover. Do you really think that additional 0.003pfd will make the amplifier change it's behavior?

Ever put a cap across the speaker terminals? An amp doesn't like that unless it's after an inductor or resistance is added.

I haven't seen much agreement among users or speaker cable sellers about what the actual differences are, other than using superlatives to describe the transformation in sound, to varying degrees. People do all kinds of tests- biased and unbiased, in which people may/may not hear a difference. Discussing cabling is almost like comparing religious or political beliefs.

 

[R-Carpenter]

Ever put a cap across the speaker terminals? An amp doesn't like that unless it's after an inductor or resistance is added.

I haven't seen much agreement among users or speaker cable sellers about what the actual differences are, other than using superlatives to describe the transformation in sound, to varying degrees. People do all kinds of tests- biased and unbiased, in which people may/may not hear a difference. Discussing cabling is almost like comparing religious or political beliefs.

Ehhhhh, if you put a capacitor across speaker terminal, you are effectively shorting the amp. I think you mean parallel.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Here's a reasonably priced very high quality source of cables. http://www.signalcable.com/. The owner is a pleasure to work with. Marty DeWulf at Bound for Sound is very high on the Signal Cable interconnects speaker wires and power cords. I use the interconnects and speaker wire.

This flame should hopefully be ending soon but I'll add a little more fuel to the fire. Those that say "wire can not make a difference" simply do not have a system that is capable of resolving the difference.

Or, in other words, if you substitute for the source in a $499 HT in a box system a top of the line Wadia CD player, will you hear a difference? Of course not, end of argument.

Russ

PS- a good portion of the members of the audio club I'm a member of have Omega Micro cables (the distributor is a member of our club); believe me, you can hear a difference.

Well, that link has anything but reasonably priced cables. No different that other snakes out there

As to system capability, first you have to demonstrate that YOU can audibly differentiate between ordinary 14ga wire from any of those snake oil priced cables under bias controlled conditions, in any system. Nothing else matters. Since to date, no one has been able to, your claims are kind of unbelievable, of dubious merit, and reliability. Yes, in reality there is no real arguments, just boasting, imaginations, wishful thinking and faulty perceptions.

As soon as your club members can differentiate those cables from 14ga zip, under properly conducted bias controlled listening, perhaps one can change their minds. So far, I have not seen such evidence. And, just claiming a difference is certainly not a demonstration of ability to audibly differentiate one.
Perhaps, one of your brave souls in that audio club would be interested in trying out for that $1 million Randi prize by demonstrating audible differences using that cable Better folks have tried, none have succeeded Good luck.

 

[highfigh]

Ehhhhh, if you put a capacitor across speaker terminal, you are effectively shorting the amp. I think you mean parallel.

Across the terminals is parallel to the load and that's why highly capacitive speaker cables cause problems. It's not DC continuity but some amps get really squirrelly when they see loads like these.

 

[R-Carpenter]

Sorry, series.
Capacitors have very low resistance like 0.00235 for example, so it's just like putting a piece of bare wire across terminals.
Am I understanding your point correctly?

 

[Clearwave]

I'd look into cable from Goertz and Supra sold at madisound. I've used Supra and find it pretty neutral sounding.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I'd look into cable from Goertz and Supra sold at madisound. I've used Supra and find it pretty neutral sounding.

Why would cables sound anything BUT neutral

 

[highfigh]

Sorry, series.
Capacitors have very low resistance like 0.00235 for example, so it's just like putting a piece of bare wire across terminals.
Am I understanding your point correctly?

Basically, but it's not DC resistance until the voltage exceeds the threshold of the dielectric. Some amps are very touchy and while they sounded really good, they didn't like the problems caused.