Getting confused over HDMI cable

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bruin62

Full Audioholic
Okay so if I change this one long hdmi cable to the one you suggest are the other cables being used good enough? The short ones that run to the receiver
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
Okay so if I change this one long hdmi cable to the one you suggest are the other cables being used good enough? The short ones that run to the receiver
If the run is shorter than 12 feet, it will probably do the job. But, what you can do when you receive the 33 foot fiber optic cable, you could switch it for that short distance and see if there's a difference. Then, if there is, you could order a shorter fiber optic one for connecting to the receiver.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
There are some things that you are going in circles on.

1. HDMI (hdmi.org) asks that cable manufacturers do not use a version number in their advertising, but use 'features' to describe the cable. So, a cable advertised as HDMI 2.0 should have other qualities or characteristics listed about it.

2. HDMI 1.3, from years ago, handled 1080p video and the cables needed to support data of about 4Gb/s.
3. HDMI 1.4a from a decade or so ago, could handle 4K/24hz, and required data rates up to about 10Gb/s.
4. HDMI 2.0, which is the current 4K standard, can handle 4K/HDR content, and requires cables which can support 18Gb/s.
5. HDMI 2.1a, which is the newest of the new, can support data rates up to 48Gb/s.

You will often find the speed of the cable. That is, the data rate it supports listed directly in the literature for that product. A big advertising red flag is a company which advertises 4K support, but doesn't specifically call out 4K/60/HDR support. Or doesn't call out 18Gb/s support.

A company like RUIPRO specifically advertises 18Gb/s support. They have some newer cables which call out 48Gb/s support as well.

So, you keep asking if your existing HDMI cable will support 4K. The answer is... MAYBE! Maybe the cable was built to such a high standard at the time that it will handle up to a 10Gb/s stream of video to your projector. Maybe it could even handle 18Gb/s. But, the testing equipment to determine that bandwidth is $10,000+. HDMI testing equipment is expensive, and cables are tested in the manufacturing process, but it isn't something most consumers can do.

Some newer AV receivers have some testing capabilities which are built in. This is a VERY high end feature, but is showing up on relatively inexpensive AV receivers that have just come out to the market.

All this said...
YOUR PROJECTOR DOESN'T SUPPORT 4K/60/HDR!!!

The Epson 4010 has a HDMI 1.4a input on it which is limited to a data rate input of 10Gb/s. This means it can support 4K/24hz with 10-bit color, but 4:2:0 chroma. You can't get full 4K HDR with 4:4:4 chroma, which is pretty much the goal to get best image quality.

There are a lot of charts out there which talk about how a specific resolution creates a certain amount of data, I've put the link at the bottom. But, the device you end up using should negotiate with your projector to get the best possible video connection that every device is capable of. This is completely automatic and handled by a process called EDID. It is just a communication between all the devices you have connected in a chain to ensure they are all compatible with each other. They will default to the LOWEST common resolution that all of them supports. If your source device can only handle 720p video as the output, then you will never get a higher resolution than that at your projector. If you have a source which can put out 2160p/60hz/10-bit, then your projector will limit the output to 2160p/30hz (or 24hz). Because the projector can't handle the full bandwidth of the source. Lowest common denominator.

 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Great post, glad somebody put in the time. You know something is not right when anybody claims to get 4K from a 17 year old cable but I wasn't gonna' say it.;) Speaking of HDMI specs, was nobody else bitten by version 1.2 after getting the HD DVD drive for the XBOX 360. That thing put out a nice picture, but no lossless audio.:confused:
 
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bruin62

Full Audioholic
Thanks for all the help you guys are giving. So the question is would it benefit me to spend the money on a new cable and replace the old rocket fish HDMI cable i am using? I do have a picture but am I loosing anything?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks for all the help you guys are giving. So the question is would it benefit me to spend the money on a new cable and replace the old rocket fish HDMI cable i am using? I do have a picture but am I loosing anything?
If the picture is fine without artifacts, you're good...
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Yeah, if you are using the same equipment listed in your sig, there is no reason to worry about 4K because you aren't going to get 4K anyway and I don't remember you ever saying you were having any issues. If you get a 4K disc player, 4K streaming device and 4K projector, you will need to upgrade cables as well. I only now looked at the pic of your room. I'm all over it! Very nice! If you can, I'd move the fronts apart a bit and forward a smidge. Is that the WD TV Live you are using there?
 
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bruin62

Full Audioholic
This is the info I get with a 4K disc saving private Ryan
 
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bruin62

Full Audioholic
Sorry I thought you could blow the pic up once I posted it. The info is 4K/24p
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Sometimes just telling what it says is better than a pic :) .....I'd assume from what treb said about 4k that your tv is upscaling the input signal....
 

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