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Here's some interesting info. While antifa on some level appears to be radical, I'm not clear to the degree. Also, white supremacy is the leading domestic threat. My guess is Faux may have had some merit in calling antifa a domestic terrorist threat, but it was also to hide the part about the alt-right is even worse. The graph in the bottom link shows those killed to be 4-5 times larger under white supremacy than any other domestic violence group. The distinct difference is with antifa it rarely results in death. This was for 2018-19.

Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It is highly decentralized and comprises an array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.[2][3][4] Much of antifa political activism is nonviolent, involving poster and flyer campaigns, mutual aid, delivering speeches, marching in protest, and community organizing.[5][6][7] They also engage in protest tactics, seeking to combat fascists and racists such as neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other far-right extremists, and differing from other leftist opposition movements by their willingness to directly confront far-right activists, and in some cases law enforcement.[3] This may involve digital activism, doxing, harassment, physical violence, and property damage against those whom they identify as belonging to the far right.[8]

Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views, subscribing to a range of left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy, and socialism.
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1. Among DVEs, racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists—specifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland. Spikes in other DVE threats probably will depend on political or social issues that often mobilize other ideological actors to violence, such as immigration, environmental, and police-related policy issues.

2. Anti-government and/or anti-authority violent extremists are likely to be emboldened by a perceived success exploiting otherwise peaceful protest movements and concealing violent tactics. These violent extremists are increasingly taking advantage of large protest crowds to conduct violence against government officials, facilities, and counter-protestors.
 
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lp85253

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Here's some interesting info. While antifa on some level appears to be radical, I'm not clear to the degree. Also, white supremacy is the leading domestic threat. My guess is Faux may have had some merit in calling antifa a domestic terrorist threat, but it was also to hide the part about the alt-right is even worse. The graph in the bottom link shows those killed to be 4-5 times larger under white supremacy than any other domestic violence group. The distinct difference is with antifa it rarely results in death. This was for 2018-19.

Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It is highly decentralized and comprises an array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.[2][3][4] Much of antifa political activism is nonviolent, involving poster and flyer campaigns, mutual aid, delivering speeches, marching in protest, and community organizing.[5][6][7] They also engage in protest tactics, seeking to combat fascists and racists such as neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other far-right extremists, and differing from other leftist opposition movements by their willingness to directly confront far-right activists, and in some cases law enforcement.[3] This may involve digital activism, doxing, harassment, physical violence, and property damage against those whom they identify as belonging to the far right.[8]

Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views, subscribing to a range of left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy, and socialism.
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1. Among DVEs, racially and ethnically motivated violent extremists—specifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)—will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland. Spikes in other DVE threats probably will depend on political or social issues that often mobilize other ideological actors to violence, such as immigration, environmental, and police-related policy issues.

2. Anti-government and/or anti-authority violent extremists are likely to be emboldened by a perceived success exploiting otherwise peaceful protest movements and concealing violent tactics. These violent extremists are increasingly taking advantage of large protest crowds to conduct violence against government officials, facilities, and counter-protestors.
Antifa is an idea.. Not a criminal enterprise.. There seems to be some organization at several levels... Let's understand that the radical left is about social justice.. The radical right ( trumpies ) is about fear of the other guy...
 
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lp85253

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Joe will pass out when a real reporter asks him a real question. He'll be a half-term president at best. His mental dysfunction is becoming more frequent. He'll get Amendment 25'ed, even if he lives through his penchant for strokes. Hello King Kamala.

I'm still amazed when a guy who was crushed in his other two runs for prez, failed miserably, can get FAR more votes than any president in history...the blessed one, Obama, included. Biden didn't campaign, didn't answer questions, and couldn't draw more people than could fit in a Volkswagen. Yet here he is, soon working at the White House at the behest of the media and big tech.

And by the way, Georgia is not only blue...it's violet. Wornach, the child abuse-coverup-Communist-admiring-wife-abusing-America-hater's election is beyond amazing. Georgia and the U.S. are absolutely getting what they deserve. And don't forget Ossoff (what's an ossoff?) . He who never held a real job. This CCP investor believes every white honky out there is a racist...that the U.S. is a racist and misogynistic country...and that we should all be reading and admiring the Chinese Communist Party news feeds. (Check with Warnoch, Obama, Kamala, King James, or whatever on that racist thing.) Gosh, who would want to live in this awful country they see??

Welcome to huge tax increases, identity politics, increased crime, drug abuse/deaths, homelessness, and the abdication of the First and Second Amendments. (Obama already warned us about those awful gun-toting, bible gripping, loser rural Americans.)

'Tis a new world coming at us. I'm glad to be old and childless. This country was the single greatest experiment in self-governance and human achievement. More people were raised out of poverty and hunger by the U.S. than any entity in the history of mankind. And now it's hated by most of the liberal politicians in this new, dystopian reality. And the thing is, I don't believe that most voters are cognizant or studied in the impact of their votes. The media has been sure to make that happen.

We are on the sharp, downhill slope of what was once a great nation. Globalism is their goal and this liberal effort won't do anything but bring poverty to all of us.
This is mostly pure right wing propaganda , the kind of rhetoric that was used to program weak minded trumpies and get them to think " their" election was stolen, and it was used in an attempted coup...
 
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lp85253

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:snicker: Now here is a collection of oxymorons combined with ignorance on the "Wiki" :rolleyes: Written by people with little understanding and even less knowledge.
You have zero idea here.. name aan acknowledged "leader" of antifa... there isn't one.. i can name to you the cult leader that brainwashed his followers to the point they tried to overthrow the US govt.. Donald Trump.... balls in your court ...
 
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BoredSysAdmin

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:snicker: Now here is a collection of oxymorons combined with ignorance on the "Wiki" :rolleyes: Written by people with little understanding and even less knowledge.
While I disagree with some of what is basically purely anarchist group thrown in together for good measure with "Antifa", one must admire the work in went into providing reliable sources for that wiki article.
 
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lp85253

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Dude, this is what you quoted from the Wiki:

"Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views, subscribing to a range of left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy, and socialism.[9] "

Don't you see the contradictions in what you quoted?
first off, i didn't post that... i replied to the poster that posted that .. antifa is generally regarded by by centerists as non politically aligned.. anarchist might be a little strong..my point is: the is no organised leader.. unlike the fascist dictator that tried to overthrow his own govt via cultism and misinformation..more specific q anon is nothing without trump ,, organised racism as policy is nothing without trump.. it becomes antifa... the common thread to the threat is Donald fuc****Trump.. now you know my position , you can agree , you can disagree , it doesn't matter to me
 
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Trell

Trell

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While I disagree with some of what is basically purely anarchist group thrown in together for good measure with "Antifa", one must admire the work in went into providing reliable sources for that wiki article.
Sure, there is much very good work going into the wiki, but often it's pretty hard to discern that from ignorance, in particular if one is ignorant on the same subject.

What I referred to in his post was the following from Wiki:

"Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views, subscribing to a range of left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy, and socialism.[9] "

Have a nice evening threading that needle.
 
Trell

Trell

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first off, i didn't post that... i replied to the poster that posted that .. antifa is generally regarded by by centerists as non politically aligned.. anarchist might be a little strong..my point is: the is no organised leader.. unlike the fascist dictator that tried to overthrow his own govt via cultism and misinformation..
I just quoted what you posted, warts and all, including "unfurling" of links. A tip: Use preview before posting links this way.
 
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lp85253

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I just quoted what you posted, warts and all, including "unfurling" of links. A tip: Use preview before posting links this way.
i got news for you pards .. i'm not interested in your forum rules (the world according to trell).. if you can't discern posts properly that's on you not me..
 
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Sure, there is much very good work going into the wiki, but often it's pretty hard to discern that from ignorance, in particular if one is ignorant on the same subject.

What I referred to in his post was the following from Wiki:

"Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views, subscribing to a range of left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy, and socialism.[9] "

Have a nice evening threading that needle.
I did some digging and your own post mentioned Wiki citation #9, which is a book written by Ph.D. historian Mark Bray. I am not sure I'd call history Ph.D. and Professor at Rutgers Uni (Go Knights!) ignorant is best way to describe him.
Sources:
 
Trell

Trell

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I did some digging and your own post mentioned Wiki citation #9, which is a book written by Ph.D. historian Mark Bray. I am not sure I'd call history Ph.D. and Professor at Rutgers Uni (Go Knights!) ignorant is best way to describe him.
Sources:
The issue is what is quoted is, again, the following:

"Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views, subscribing to a range of left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy, and socialism.[9] "

Social democrats (in Europe) are very much capitalists, and have been so for at least since the early/mid 80'ies. No f*icking way social democrats are anti-state, and similar for communists and Marxists.

Socialist have, historically, a very difficult and troubled relationship with democracy and free speech (to put it mildly), so calling them anti-authoritarian is more than a little stretch, and the same goes for communism and Marxism.

If the the quote above is a representative view of the historian with a PhD and a tenure, well :rolleyes:
 
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lp85253

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The issue is what is quoted is, again, the following:

"Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views, subscribing to a range of left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy, and socialism.[9] "

Social democrats (in Europe) are very much capitalists, and have been so for at least since the early/mid 80'ies. No f*icking way social democrats are anti-state, and similar for communists and Marxists.

Socialist have, historically, a very difficult and troubled relationship with democracy and free speech (to put it mildly), so calling them anti-authoritarian is more than a little stretch, and the same goes for communism and Marxism.

If the the quote above is a representative view of the historian with a PhD and a tenure, well :rolleyes:
You do know that definitions can contain descriptions that aren't included in certain group application.. In other words.. Sometimes the entire description isn't applicable go every group or event ... Perspective pards , grab a little...
 
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I did some digging and your own post mentioned Wiki citation #9, which is a book written by Ph.D. historian Mark Bray. I am not sure I'd call history Ph.D. and Professor at Rutgers Uni (Go Knights!) ignorant is best way to describe him.
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So, while maintaining my laziness, and making some assumptions, am I incorrect to take the wiki with a gain of salt and say that antifa remains an abbreviation of anti-facist? Isn't that just an idea, kind of like anti-racism?

Or, should I make time to read some stuff?
 
Trell

Trell

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You do know that definitions can contain descriptions that aren't included in certain group application.. In other words.. Sometimes the entire description isn't applicable go every group or event ... Perspective pards , grab a little...
You know that I'm an European and over here we have communists, Marxists and socialists for real, really. As well as social democrats, anarchists, fascists and Nazis. And liberals, conservative, religious, etc. So the expressed US view as of what is, say, socialist or radical left, is often ignorant, like the quote.
 
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So, while maintaining my laziness, and making some assumptions, am I incorrect to take the wiki with a gain of salt and say that antifa remains an abbreviation of anti-facist? Isn't that just an idea, kind of like anti-racism?

Or, should I make time to read some stuff?
Until today lived under the assumption that "Antifa" is like you said, simply an anti-fascist movement, but
at least according to Ph.D. quoted by Trell and Wikipedia, several other organizations seemed like get grouped under the same umbrella. It's a rabbit hole that I not particularly curious about exploring.
 
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Aside from pinning down "antifa's" core beliefs, insofar as that is possible, I think we can all agree that the way "antifa" gets characterized by conservatives is just really stupid. I doubt they could even agree on a set of core beliefs. They are just college kids that like to spray paint graffiti on the side of a Starbucks, and that is the extent of their revolution. Conservatives just need some kind of amorphous boogeyman to pose as an enemy, and since it isn't as acceptable to use Jews for that purpose anymore, they are pointing to these activist kids who are dressed in black and have a vaguely leftist cause since not much is known about them.

If there really was a group that was well-organized with a well-defined mission to oppose fascism, I would certainly be interested in joining, but no such group exists, in the USA at least.
 
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lp85253

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You know that I'm an European and over here we have communists, Marxists and socialists for real, really. As well as social democrats, anarchists, fascists and Nazis. And liberals, conservative, religious, etc. So the expressed US view as of what is, say, socialist or radical left, is often ignorant, like the quote.
That's fine pards.. But if you want to talk American politics just now you will have to understand that we are in the process of killing cockroaches at present.. And we don't really need any help .. We got this...Edit.. You gotta understand something here .. We have a crazy person with a very large brainwashed cult in charge of everything ... Including YOUR safety... Give us a minute to fix this.... We really don't need any back seat drivers at the moment...
 
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lp85253

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Aside from pinning down "antifa's" core beliefs, insofar as that is possible, I think we can all agree that the way "antifa" gets characterized by conservatives is just really stupid. I doubt they could even agree on a set of core beliefs. They are just college kids that like to spray paint graffiti on the side of a Starbucks, and that is the extent of their revolution. Conservatives just need some kind of amorphous boogeyman to pose as an enemy, and since it isn't as acceptable to use Jews for that purpose anymore, they are pointing to these activist kids who are dressed in black and have a vaguely leftist cause since not much is known about them.

If there really was a group that was well-organized with a well-defined mission to oppose fascism, I would certainly be interested in joining, but no such group exists, in the USA at least.
I'll go further.. At present American right wing politics is entirely about greed racism and fear.. Anybody interested in social justice, equality, common interests that don't involve white privilege need not apply... F***em it's time to squash that bug...
 

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