front towers, 10inch or dual 8's, which will provide more dynamic bass?

[amayseng]

I hear the argument of more surface area, but can dual 8s really give off the deepness that a 10 inch woofer will? For front tower speakers


thanks guys

 

[annunaki]

It depends on the enclosure alignment of each and the capability of said woofers. For example, if one had dual 8" JL Audio W7 type drivers vs a more conventional 10" the 8" will outperform by a long shot. Flip the scenario and and a single 10" can outperform dual 8".

Are there particular speakers you are referencing in this example?

 

[amayseng]

It depends on the enclosure alignment of each and the capability of said woofers. For example, if one had dual 8" JL Audio W7 type drivers vs a more conventional 10" the 8" will outperform by a long shot. Flip the scenario and and a single 10" can outperform dual 8".

Are there particular speakers you are referencing in this example?

This is my living room setup so I am just only running front towers, downstairs in my finished basement and rec room is my theater room so I want to stay with the biggest woofer I can in towers up stairs just to keep such dynamic sound through only front towers. I have 19 year old cerwin vega RE series 10 inch and they are still phenomenal to this day.

To replace them I would not want to lose that bass response I have.
We just watched Enemy at the Gates this evening and it was just phenomenal with low booming lows when needed and punchy lows as well. I did see the Klipsch dual 10s but those are above my price at 3000 a pair.

 

[everettT]

What is your price?

 

[amayseng]

What is your price?

$1000

 

[everettT]

$1000

For 1k I'd stay with the type of speakers you are accustomed to. Klipsch, Vega , etc. As mentioned woofer size just doesn't tell the story in the bass region. Demo some and see what you like. Depending on your room size, type of music, how far you sit from them will play a factor.

 

[amayseng]

For 1k I'd stay with the type of speakers you are accustomed to. Klipsch, Vega , etc. As mentioned woofer size just doesn't tell the story in the bass region. Demo some and see what you like. Depending on your room size, type of music, how far you sit from them will play a factor.

These will be for movies and video games along with music as the kids and gf run youtube off the ps4 quite a bit.
Sitting anywhere from 8 to 13 feet away depending on which chair or couch of course.
Room is about 14 feet wide by 22 feet long I would guess.
So you think the dual Klipsch 8s would be equal to the single cv 10s?
It is quite a drive for a demo and I am just curious.

 

[shadyJ]

Why not just get a subwoofer?

 

[amayseng]

Why not just get a subwoofer?

Not conducive really in the living room.
And secondly my towers with 10inch woofers are superior to one subwoofer as the sound is coming dynamically from straight ahead being bout 6 feet apart they fill the room. Much better than one single subwoofer in a corner or something.

 

[everettT]

Not conducive really in the living room.
And secondly my towers with 10inch woofers are superior to one subwoofer as the sound is coming dynamically from straight ahead being bout 6 feet apart they fill the room. Much better than one single subwoofer in a corner or something.

I'd say in the lower bass region that a subwoofer would outperform towers in that price range all day.

 

[amayseng]

I'd say in the lower bass region that a subwoofer would outperform towers in that price range all day.

hmm.. What model do you have in mind?

 

[everettT]

This sub would fill out the low end well in your room

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3mk5HP.html

 

[amayseng]

This sub would fill out the low end well in your room

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3mk5HP.html

thanks.
600 watts rms that is impressive.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

This sub would fill out the low end well in your room

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3mk5HP.html

It’s a good price too.



OP, I have 12’s in my mains, and also 3, 12” subs. I wouldn’t ever be without subwoofage. And no, I don’t run them stupid hot like some car audio rig either lol!

 

[shadyJ]

Not conducive really in the living room.
And secondly my towers with 10inch woofers are superior to one subwoofer as the sound is coming dynamically from straight ahead being bout 6 feet apart they fill the room. Much better than one single subwoofer in a corner or something.

What you are talking about is localization, where the sound becomes easily localizable to human hearing. Localization does not really occur below 80 Hz, which is where most people cross the subwoofers over.

A 10" CW probably has a good amount of punch above 80 Hz, but it will not challenge a decent subwoofer at all below that point. If you are really worried about localization, just get two subs and place them close to each speaker. Two of these bad boys will annihilate the Klipsch or CW speakers in that frequency range, and you can raise the crossover to higher frequencies without worrying about localization if they are placed close to each speaker.

 

[amayseng]

It’s a good price too.



OP, I have 12’s in my mains, and also 3, 12” subs. I wouldn’t ever be without subwoofage. And no, I don’t run them stupid hot like some car audio rig either lol!

Yes, this is just the living room however so I do not really want to run anything more than front towers. It would look odd having subs and even rear speakers. Now my basement is a different story I may run a few down there haha..

What are you running as mains?

 

[amayseng]

What you are talking about is localization, where the sound becomes easily localizable to human hearing. Localization does not really occur below 80 Hz, which is where most people cross the subwoofers over.

A 10" CW probably has a good amount of punch above 80 Hz, but it will not challenge a decent subwoofer at all below that point. If you are really worried about localization, just get two subs and place them close to each speaker. Two of these bad boys will annihilate the Klipsch or CW speakers in that frequency range, and you can raise the crossover to higher frequencies without worrying about localization if they are placed close to each speaker.

What would I run the crossover to get the lows needed for that sub?

I apologize for being uneducated in the audio realm I am just getting into it.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Yes, this is just the living room however so I do not really want to run anything more than front towers. It would look odd having subs and even rear speakers. Now my basement is a different story I may run a few down there haha..

What are you running as mains?

I would say that’s a matter of opinion. My wife says all my speakers are ugly but idc. I live here too!!! In fact two of my subs are 40” tall cylinders. My mains are JBL S312II. Yep. 7.3(soon to be 7.3.4) in my living room.

 

[shadyJ]

What would I run the crossover to get the lows needed for that sub?

I apologize for being uneducated in the audio realm I am just getting into it.

80 Hz is the standard crossover frequency for subs, because if you run them higher than that, they become localized, ie the bass sounds like it is coming from the subwoofer specifically instead of the front stage. HOWEVER if you have a multiple sub system that is spread out, you can run the crossover at higher frequencies without having the subs draw attention to their location. The advantage of this approach is that the subs are likely quite a bit more powerful than your main speakers well above 80 Hz

If you end up getting a subwoofer or multiple subs, what you should do is experiment with different crossover points to see what you like best. Use the crossover frequency that sounds best to your ears.

 

[lovinthehd]

thanks.
600 watts rms that is impressive.

600 watts by itself is meaningless, you need to know the sensitivity of the sub and its limits to know if that's meaningful.