Format War Won - by the Internet?

BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Forbes is giving predictions, but it doesn't seem like Forbest is giving explanations which justify their predictions. It's fine to say "Look, this is the current trend, and it will continue." - But how realistic is that?

This very site has made the very serious mistake (IMO) of comparing HD audio formats which are served up one full album at a time vs. HD video formats which are served up one specific movie at a time. On demand music - downloadable content - it fixes the issue with the album and delivers portability that no first generation Walkman could even have dreamt up.

Yet, portability isn't what you see when you walk into the VIDEO section of Best Buy, Circuit City or anywhere else. Our displays are getting bigger! Laptop displays, computer displays, and televisions are shooting way up in size. I'm not sure there is more than a limited few people on this A/V site that don't have at least one display in their home over 27" diagonal... though I'm sure there are some.

So, while consumer awareness of the MP3 format and portable music is hitting an all time high - it took many years for it to actually happen.

HDTV is a buzzword, but to get HD, people will need to learn about it and brand recognition and marketing will build up over years. There is no question that this will include on-demand services, but only if it makes sense. Right now, it typically does not make sense. You often lose the ability to pause the movie - which is incredibly important to any of us with kids... or bladders.

What is possible is that we will see the decline of the DVD format over the upcoming years. That HD will replace it in various formats across the board as HD optical disc players drop to DVD pricing levels in upcoming years. Then the DVD goes the way of the VHS, and we finally see HD optical discs start to take stride. But, On-Demand didn't exist when DVD hit the ground, and that will continue to grow, which will cut into HD optical discs as will HDDL - HD DownLoads. The HDDL is most likely the one that will really be a killer of HD optical discs as it will offer the portability, quality, and permanence that so many people desire.

Of course, HDDL requires the technology to store, protect, and manage 30GB+ chunks of data in a convenient package at a reasonable price... and requires the Internet connection to deliver so much data to the masses effectively.

I think we are about 5 years away from HDDL marketability, and maybe 10 years away from it being effective to the masses. On-Demand is already here and will continue to grow, but does not offer the replacement to the actual ownership of the media, so while it will grow, it will also level off far faster than any other technology.

HD optical discs will continue to grow in popularity over the next few years. The rate of adoption will be enhanced significantly by one of the two formats becoming the industry standard... or by dual format players replacing the single format players on the market. By 2012 I expect the DVD market may be considered 'dead' and that its replacement will be considered to be HD optical discs, and nothing else.

In this day and age, there is no replacement for the CD. HD audio formats deliver more for sure, but not when you want it in your car, or on the subway through some $15 ear buds. So, the replacement for the CD is the mp3. The reality of the same happenning with video is not realistic and a very poor comparison to make. DVD will have a replacement and HD is the buzzword these days... one which DVD doesn't cater to.
 
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autoboy

Audioholic
Great replies. I definitely agree with many of your points. Especially with On Demand leveling off. It is simply another PPV format that is more efficient on the provider (only one channel needed instead of 50) and easier on the consumer because you can pause and rewind. But you never get to keep it, and that will make it a rental, and we all know that rentals did not kill the DVD, so On Demand will not kill the DVD or the HD/BD. It might kill physical blockbuster stores and hurt netflix eventually.

As for downloadable movies. I tend to disagree that the bandwidth required will be huge. We will not need 30GB files. It will start out at 2-5GB and eventually settle at 5-10 with some quality loss over HD/BD. That gives you the ability to store 15-30 DVDs on a current ipod at 160GB. The next generation in 1.5 years will be 320GB, and so on until we reach 1TB on a portable drive, and the space becomes enough for most collections. At 1-2TB I think we have reached the limit of perpendicular recording technology for harddrives so it might slow a bit then. Sure, this takes longer than downloading a song, and instant gratification is not met, but it sure beats going down to the video store or best buy to buy the movie, or buying online and waiting for the mailman.

Sure, TVs are getting bigger. I'm not arguing that people will always watch movies on their portable devices. I'm saying that people will hook their portable devices up to their big displays like my girlfriend hooks her ipod to my stereo. You don't always listen to ipods with headphones.
 
Marshall_Guthrie

Marshall_Guthrie

Audioholics Videographer Extraordinaire
Maybe this deserves it's own thread,but for those who are regularly enjoying downloadable content, where do you get it from?

I don't have cable, and I live in the valley, so no OTA for me, but I go to the network webpage whenever possible to get the latest episodes of lost, etc.

But, truth be told, I go to the torrents most often. I'd certainly be willing to pay $1 an episode for DVD quality, but no more. TV is not worth $2-3 an episode.
 
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krowten

Enthusiast
The broadband infrastructure is not there yet. There are hundreds of thousands of people in Canada (if not millions) who will not have access. The only alternative for them is via Satellite, and this service is super expensive with limited bandwidth.
 
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autoboy

Audioholic
Maybe this deserves it's own thread,but for those who are regularly enjoying downloadable content, where do you get it from?

I don't have cable, and I live in the valley, so no OTA for me, but I go to the network webpage whenever possible to get the latest episodes of lost, etc.

But, truth be told, I go to the torrents most often. I'd certainly be willing to pay $1 an episode for DVD quality, but no more. TV is not worth $2-3 an episode.
There are many sources of downloadable content. I use several of them:
Netflix - Pretty poor quality but watchable on the road
Torrents - hit or miss on quality, illegal, incompatiblities
Comcast On Demand - 480i, 1080i, some compression artifacts, limited content, instant gratification
Xbox360 - 480p, 720p, no visible compression artifacts, limited content, long download times

These are the ones I use. Then there are plenty of others and I don't know all of them. Some examples: itunes, amazon unbox, walmart, etc

All of these are limited in their use because of DRM except the illegal ones which will limit the adoption of downloadable content until the studios stop being stupid and endorse a format that doesn't suck.
 
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cornfed

Audiophyte
how are they going to send a hidef movie in 1080p and with the new surround formats?we cant expect to ever see 1080p format delivered by ota,cable or sat withe the new formats how can forbes predict that this hi rez format can be delivered over the internet?
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
If music or movies ever become download-only, I will just have to stick with what I have and stop buying new titles. I don't do downloads. Fortunately, I don't think that this scenario will happen because the industry knows there are a lot of us who feel the way I do about it.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
If music or movies ever become download-only, I will just have to stick with what I have and stop buying new titles. .

Hopefully my time will expire by that time:D
I rather not download either, especially movies:D
 
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