Feeling lied to and mislead what do I actually need for my set up.

[lovinthehd]

I completely agree with your statement. But, I'm not convinced that the OP doesn't have some setting or config problem.

1 way to fix a problem may be to throw $ at it. I always try the free solutions before I throw $ at it.

I'd like to know a lot more specifics about the setup he did with Audyssey etc, too. Devil's in the details....but a real sub couldn't hurt

 

[gene]

I came here for help and calling out the I'd think rather obvious ignorance of some aspects is unhelpful, kinda rude and pointless the only reason I'm here is try and find out what I need to know/buy. the only purchase I've made is a Avr replacement. I'm still within the return window for the avr. It's obvious the main speakers are being under powered just based on sound. The mains are set as large and have the crossovers set to lowest denon allows for main that is 40 doesn't that mean when when I stereo and not surround it's still limiting the band. I want the fronts to preform while surround is on as it stands they sound Lil different then the 2 way 8 inch floorstanding surrounds

If I can chime in here on a few things:
1. Make sure your speakers are set to LARGE in the bass management
2. If you're not using a separate powered sub connected to the sub out via RCA connection, then set the sub to "No" or "off". This will route the LFE and summed bass to your main front speakers.
3. Set your center and other surround speakers to small and 80Hz crossover.
4. Level match all of your speakers using an SPL meter and the internal pink noise of your receiver at your primary listening position.
5. If you don't feel you can play loud enough, consider getting an external amp to plug into your receiver.
6. Educate yourself reading articles on this site such as this: https://www.audioholics.com/home-theater-connection/connecting-an-external-amp-to-a-receiver

#6 is most important. Power ratings/handling of speakers can be very misleading just like power ratings of receivers can be. You don't need to match them b/c its a nebulous goal. I understand your confusion but you're getting a lot of great advice here so listen to the experienced forum posters and do your homework.

 

[Manvillerc]

The fronts have been set to large I've tried settings a few different ways I ran audyssey sounds great for movies but for music bass is lacking. How come people tell me in same fourm pick speakers then match receiver then have another tell me matching via power ratings to largely ineffective. Slippery how about this if you had 1500 what combination speakers/avr would you go with knowing my main complaints is lack of bass when not EQing a ton to get more. I'm in general happy with everything other then that. Based on what I know seems like the best I can do is get a better sub so I can maintain sound fidelity and also have bass. I've messed with the settings a lot it just doesn't seem like I can have it both ways either I get the bass with muddyier sound or I have clear seemingly accurate sound just weak bass. Some are suggesting a better speakers. That seems like the most unrealistic route for me as speakers would cost to much for me to replace them all. I also have nowhere near me that has stuff set up so I can test them to make sure I'd even get an improvement. I'll go though the articles but there's a ton there and knowing/application of knowledge is 2 different things it takes time. I appreciate the help don't think dont.

 

[everettT]

The fronts have been set to large I've tried settings a few different ways I ran audyssey sounds great for movies but for music bass is lacking. How come people tell me in same fourm pick speakers then match receiver then have another tell me matching via power ratings to largely ineffective. Slippery how about this if you had 1500 what combination speakers/avr would you go with knowing my main complaints is lack of bass when not EQing a ton to get more. I'm in general happy with everything other then that. Based on what I know seems like the best I can do is get a better sub so I can maintain sound fidelity and also have bass. I've messed with the settings a lot it just doesn't seem like I can have it both ways either I get the bass with muddyier sound or I have clear seemingly accurate sound just weak bass. Some are suggesting a better speakers. That seems like the most unrealistic route for me as speakers would cost to much for me to replace them all. I also have nowhere near me that has stuff set up so I can test them to make sure I'd even get an improvement. I'll go though the articles but there's a ton there and knowing/application of knowledge is 2 different things it takes time. I appreciate the help don't think dont.

If your saying your liking the sound of the speakers, but want more ummf, get a true subwoofer for movies. Several manufactures have very high performance to cost subwoofers. HSU, SVS, Rythmik, Power Sound Audio, Outlaw Audio, etc.

 

[gene]

The fronts have been set to large I've tried settings a few different ways I ran audyssey sounds great for movies but for music bass is lacking. How come people tell me in same fourm pick speakers then match receiver then have another tell me matching via power ratings to largely ineffective. Slippery how about this if you had 1500 what combination speakers/avr would you go with knowing my main complaints is lack of bass when not EQing a ton to get more. I'm in general happy with everything other then that. Based on what I know seems like the best I can do is get a better sub so I can maintain sound fidelity and also have bass. I've messed with the settings a lot it just doesn't seem like I can have it both ways either I get the bass with muddyier sound or I have clear seemingly accurate sound just weak bass. Some are suggesting a better speakers. That seems like the most unrealistic route for me as speakers would cost to much for me to replace them all. I also have nowhere near me that has stuff set up so I can test them to make sure I'd even get an improvement. I'll go though the articles but there's a ton there and knowing/application of knowledge is 2 different things it takes time. I appreciate the help don't think dont.

Audyssey is likely your problem. Don't use it! Unless you can measure before/after, you don't really know what it's doing to the bass. Turn off EQ for ALL modes (make sure you do it for 2CH Pure Direct as well). Then re-evaluate your situation.

You don't want an amp to clip when driving speakers. Your CV's are very efficient and a pretty easy load to drive. As long as you don't boost the bass control you should be fine. Otherwise, get an external amp.

 

[lovinthehd]

Many using Audyssey simply bump up the sub trim level by 2-6 dB depending on taste. You might also try the LFE + Main settings for additional bass.

 

[Manvillerc]

Found an unfortunate error which sub hook up. I had forgot to remove the high level line ins and outs on subwoofer so it was receiving 2 different signals from hi inputs and LFE. I think this was causing sound issues in the sub causing it to either be quiet or over power with little inbetween. Since removing hi-lvl inputs it is performing way better for music so much so that Im not 2 bothered by the mains bass output. One thing I noticed is my sound didn't return to the sub till I set cross overs on speaker side of things to 90+ on every channel. The lfe channel crossover didn't seem to change anything. Im confused denon set poop up so it limiting lower end of your surround speakers improves the sub? I'm still tweaking sound but so far much closer to what I want.

 

[lovinthehd]

Found an unfortunate error which sub hook up. I had forgot to remove the high level line ins and outs on subwoofer so it was receiving 2 different signals from hi inputs and LFE. I think this was causing sound issues in the sub causing it to either be quiet or over power with little inbetween. Since removing hi-lvl inputs it is performing way better for music so much so that Im not 2 bothered by the mains bass output. One thing I noticed is my sound didn't return to the sub till I set cross overs on speaker side of things to 90+ on every channel. The lfe channel crossover didn't seem to change anything. Im confused denon set poop up so it limiting lower end of your surround speakers improves the sub? I'm still tweaking sound but so far much closer to what I want.

The LPF of LFE is only for .1 ch content and would recommend setting at 120hz...it isn't a crossover, though.