roleydre

roleydre

Audioholic
i have a sony strdh800,now i think it is great, but after reading sum of yalls post,i know now that what i have isnt very good to sum of you guys.i am really obsessed with audio.

i was wondering what kind of receiver and speakers you guys have and what makes it better than what i got.

and yall dont laugh ...heres what my setup is

center channel-Energy C-C50
fronts-sony ssf-5000s
surround-sony ssb-3000s
surround back-ssb1000s
subwoofer-BIC America V-1220

i am on a low budget so these are about as good as i can afford without spending lots of money.

i am new to this forum so im just curious as to what you guys have?
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
i have a sony strdh800,now i think it is great, but after reading sum of yalls post,i know now that what i have isnt very good to sum of you guys.i am really obsessed with audio.

i was wondering what kind of receiver and speakers you guys have and what makes it better than what i got.

and yall dont laugh ...heres what my setup is

center channel-Energy C-C50
fronts-sony ssf-5000s
surround-sony ssb-3000s
surround back-ssb1000s
subwoofer-BIC America V-1220

i am on a low budget so these are about as good as i can afford without spending lots of money.

i am new to this forum so im just curious as to what you guys have?

Roley,

1st, let me say welcome to the forum! Audio equipment is a great hobby to get into. However, it also can be a very very expensive one as your enthusiasm grows!

Some members here are just like you. They enjoy budget friendly system that they feel works for them. Others like to push & tweak the limits of their budgets to wring every drop of performance out of a setup in a never ending search of perfection. And a handful of us on this site have harder to find gear that most would consider ultra expensive. You'll also find a lot of people design and build their own speakers, amps, etc.

As far as what's better or worse, I'm not exactly sure how to answer you effectively. I've been in the a/v industry for over 11 years now and own a custom electronics design firm. The only thing that I can tell you with 100% certainty is that there are many many many different ways to accomplish someone's performance goals.

There are a lot of different types of speakers, receivers, etc. that obviously go up and down very far along the price spectrum. To really dive into what makes one product better or worse often comes down to application (meaning: what room and look is something going to be used for) and definition of the word "value", which is different for everybody.

I won't go through the process of listing all of my gear as that wouldn't be a very fair or productive reference point for anyone to go by. If you keep reading threads and posts you'll start to catch on to people's gear preferences and why they feel that way. Also, please feel free to check out the members systems gallery here: http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13

And always feel free to ask questions! Again, welcome aboard!
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
i was wondering what kind of receiver and speakers you guys have and what makes it better than what i got.
I don't think the receiver is toooo important. I think most of the brands people own - yamaha, ATI, Rotel, Pioneer, Emotiva, Marantz, Denon, Onkyo, NAD, Anthem, Parasound usually do sufficiently well in making quality electronics. I don't particularily trust some brands with receivers - Sony, Sherwood, Philips, Technics, Samsung, and some of the cheaper stuff even from brands like Denon. I'm biased towards Marantz and Hypex but that's not important. What's important is knowing that you've got an amplifier that won't limit your choice in speakers. Some speakers lose sound quality with weaker amplifiers.

So what makes some speakers better than others? I will say that better speakers will be more clean(poor recordings will sound poor,and good recordings will sound a lot better), not have sibilance (overhang/emphasisssss of the the 's' sound), not have chestyness (makes men yelling sound like dogs barking), have tight, controlled bass (not just boomy noises, but stopping and starting like..well.. acoustic music), not give you listening fatigue (where after listening for a while, your ears start to hurt), play louder without making you cringe(less distortion at high SPLs, important for dynamic content in movies and music), give you a real sense of stereo imaging (the ability to place sounds within a recording between the two speakers), and will make instruments and voices sound more like instruments and voices there in the room and less like speakers trying to make familiar sounds. How do I describe that further? I don't.

You have to actively seek out speakers to judge for yourself what the differences are. The differences from what you're coming from, are going to be far from subtle. The best way to describe it is that you'll come to notice that recordings are more complex than they seemed at first. Recordings just seem to have a dimension that was "flattened" with poor speakers, and has now been released. If you took the same recording, and took one FLAC straight out of the CD, and another a 128kb/s mp3, on bad speakers they'll sound the same or similar... On good speakers one will sound like it's trapped and suffocated, and the other will sound more like you would expect it to sound.

Does that mean great speakers should sound special? Not necessarily. Think of a great speaker as being a window. It's there, but you don't want to notice that it's there when you look out of it. You just want to see what's on the other side.

So if the goal of audio as a hobby is to get a system you don't notice, isn't it kind of silly and pointless? Maybe, but once you hear something that "does it more right", you go back to the thing that doesn't do it as right and can't help but notice the things you never noticed before. At that point poor speakers become like a fogged up window, and you're just trying to not notice the fog but you can't help that it's there, and next thing you know you just pulled out your credit card.

I think a receiver is a good place to start upgrading for you because what you're coming from is really lacking. Once you get a good receiver, like a Marantz SR5004 for example, it could last you a long, long time.
 
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roleydre

roleydre

Audioholic
subwoofer

thanks guys....
well, i have lots of questions

heres a question...the subwoofer i got is kinda spotty...is it the subwoofer or is it the position..cause when im watchin on my couch and im leaned back it sounds great ...but than i lean up and, i guess it takes me out of the realm,the sub starts to get kinda unoticeable...but the sub does have good bass(ima bass head)

i do have it kinda behind the arm of couch ...it is a downfiring sub and i put a wooden shelf underneath it and i got the port towards the wall... and its in a corner.

the port side(now im a sailor)is about 2ft from wall...and one side is about 6-8 in from couch and the other side is about 2ft from wall...with the back side facing toward the room

maybe kinda hard to answer without seein it i guess
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
thanks guys....
well, i have lots of questions

heres a question...the subwoofer i got is kinda spotty...is it the subwoofer or is it the position..cause when im watchin on my couch and im leaned back it sounds great ...but than i lean up and, i guess it takes me out of the realm,the sub starts to get kinda unoticeable...but the sub does have good bass(ima bass head)

i do have it kinda behind the arm of couch ...it is a downfiring sub and i put a wooden shelf underneath it and i got the port towards the wall... and its in a corner.

the port side(now im a sailor)is about 2ft from wall...and one side is about 6-8 in from couch and the other side is about 2ft from wall...with the back side facing toward the room

maybe kinda hard to answer without seein it i guess

It's probably a bit of both, but lets start with the free part which is to install it properly.

A neat installation trick....

- Put the subwoofer at your listening position.
- Put the subwoofer test tone on your receiver so the sub gets a signal and plays.
- Get on your hands and knees and crawl around the room. Where you hear the best bass is where the sub should ideally go. If that exact spot is not convienient, go to the next best, etc.

Try that & we'll take it from there!
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Just like all things in life, no matter what you own and how much they cost, after you own them for a while, you tend to take them for granted, and they tend to become less special as well.:D

It's kind of like looking over your fences and seeing that the grass is greener on the other side.

What impresses me are things that don't cost "that much", yet sound "that much".

Take the Infinity P362/363 speakers for example. Some people can get them for around $380/pr including S/H. Yet they measure very accurately and sound very accurately and "full" as if they cost $2,000/pr. Some speakers that cost over $10,000/pr can't even best the P363s in all areas of measurements - like the off-axis frequency response.

Another example is the NHT Absolute Zero. Man, they don't call them "absolute zero" for nothing! These bookshelf speakers measure so accurately on Home Theater Magazine that I could not believe it when I first read the review. The 5-point-average on-and-off-frequency response from 200Hz - 10kHz was less than +/- 1.0 dB! And these speakers cost $175 each!:eek:

Receivers don't tend to impress me as much because most of them measure so well - THD < 0.1%, SNR > 100dB, FR 20Hz-20kHz +/- 0.5dB, etc.
 
roleydre

roleydre

Audioholic
Thanks Industry...turns out my subwoofer is in the best possible spot cause of the furniture,and plus im pretty lazy...but thanks for the tip...next time i rerange stuff ill find the BEST spot.

Heres another..the dual mono setting on my receiver..what does it do...i can here the sound changing when i mess with it...but i cant really tell what its doin..it has a setting for Sub,Main,and Sub/main together..i just wanna kno what it does..and which setting is the best
 
roleydre

roleydre

Audioholic
and yall dont laugh ...heres what my setup is

Sony strdh800
center channel-Energy C-C50
fronts-sony ssf-5000s
surrounds-sony ssb-3000s
surround backs-ssb1000s
subwoofer-BIC America V-1220

Do you guys think this is good start-up system?

And if i was going to upgrade sum stuff,what would you guys start with first?

I can spend about 400,and i was looking at some infinity tower speakers (infinity primus P362's)granted there alittle more than my budget for 2 of them,was wondering what yall think about infinity,as well?

i have appreciated yalls inputs so far....thanks!
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
Do you guys think this is good start-up system?

And if i was going to upgrade sum stuff,what would you guys start with first?

I can spend about 400,and i was looking at some infinity tower speakers (infinity primus P362's)granted there alittle more than my budget for 2 of them,was wondering what yall think about infinity,as well?

i have appreciated yalls inputs so far....thanks!
Well, we should start with some information 1st....

Tell us about your room & lifestyle....

Dimensions, furniture layout, etc. Is there an attic above your room? Are you on a slab, crawlspace, basement, apartment? What are you going to be doing with this system the most: Movies, music... & what kinds?

The more details the better! You want others to work to help you then help us out with some good details. :)
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
was wondering what yall think about infinity P362s?
For budget speakers, I don't think any speaker out there can beat the Infinity P362/363.

Use the coupon code: dealzon and the P363s should be $331/pr + $30 shipping each.

http://www.electronics-expo.com/make-a-store/item/INFP363/Infinity/P363/1.html

Looks like they also have the P362s for $170 each + $40 shipping each:

http://www.electronics-expo.com/make-a-store/item/INFPRIMUS362/Infinity/P362/1.html

You might have to give them a call if the shipping calculation is messed up.
 
roleydre

roleydre

Audioholic
Thanks industry...im gonna wait till i can get to a computer to tell yall bout my room and stuff like that....cause my phone is pissin me off.

Acudeftech....wow ..you are to kind ,thanks for the info on the infinitys,that was greatly appreciated

Ima chime back in tomorrow when theres a pc in front of me.
Thanks again guys.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Do you guys think this is good start-up system?

And if i was going to upgrade sum stuff,what would you guys start with first?

I can spend about 400,and i was looking at some infinity tower speakers (infinity primus P362's)granted there alittle more than my budget for 2 of them,was wondering what yall think about infinity,as well?

i have appreciated yalls inputs so far....thanks!
I think I and others here like them, at that price point they're tough to beat. They're far from flawless but they're a good choice.

Another popular choice are the Behringer 2031Ps which I think are probably better, though they aren't as attractive.

I recommend trying out active studio monitors. JBL 2328s for example.

The problem with passive speakers is that I'm not sure your receiver can drive them properly. The Infinities for example dip into the 4 ohm region with a notable phase angle. By going with studio monitors, you usually get quality directivity control as well as built in amplifiers.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
I have a KENWOOD VR-309 and Onkyo SK-1 Fusion AV 10'' Woofer Tower Speakers. Too make things better use Quality Speaker Wire Buy Receivers from Onkyo,Kenwood,Pioneer,Big Speakers will sound better compared to bookshelf ones!
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I drive my Infinity P362s with a Denon AVR-391 in a nice-size family room (~18' x 20' x 10' ceiling, open on 3 sides), and I get 85dBA from 2 meters away with the volume knob @ -10dB.
 
roleydre

roleydre

Audioholic
I think I and others here like them, at that price point they're tough to beat. They're far from flawless but they're a good choice.

Another popular choice are the Behringer 2031Ps which I think are probably better, though they aren't as attractive.

I recommend trying out active studio monitors. JBL 2328s for example.

The problem with passive speakers is that I'm not sure your receiver can drive them properly. The Infinities for example dip into the 4 ohm region with a notable phase angle. By going with studio monitors, you usually get quality directivity control as well as built in amplifiers.
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES90BK-8-Inch-Floorstanding-Speaker/dp/B00166VDK8/ref=sr_1_20?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1301279105&sr=1-20

What about this one...man i really like the dual 8" woofers
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
JBL speakers aren't all that great. I'd get the infinities before them.

The ones I recommend are JBL Pro LSR speakers. Different engineering team, different design objective.
 
roleydre

roleydre

Audioholic
industry

heres what my den looks like

http://[url=http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff390/roleydre/?action=view&amp;current=IMAG0095.jpg][/URL]

the left of the tv

http://[url=http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff390/roleydre/?action=view&amp;current=IMAG0096-1.jpg][/URL]

this is where i sit (sorry my friend stayed the night ,why theres a sheet on the couch)

http://[url=http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff390/roleydre/?action=view&amp;current=IMAG0097.jpg][/URL]

and this is right of the tv

http://[url=http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff390/roleydre/?action=view&amp;current=IMAG0098.jpg][/URL]

kinda a wide shot of my den

http://[url=http://s1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff390/roleydre/?action=view&amp;current=IMAG0099.jpg][/URL]

i live by myself so i tend to let things get kinda messy before i clean them up....and yall dont be laughin at my free sofas...and my speaker wire showin...haha,i dont care if ya laugh

as you can see i watch alot of dragon ball,and movies on bluray(and sum dvds)

as for music, i really listen to alittle of everything, but i have a bunch of dragonball soundtracks(orchestra for the japanese tracks,and synthesizer music for the US tracks.

as well as -sounds of the season and soundscapes - (the music choice channels on digital cable).

and i do listen to music and watch movies on the setup i have pictured above.
 
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roleydre

roleydre

Audioholic
I think I and others here like them, at that price point they're tough to beat. They're far from flawless but they're a good choice.
The problem with passive speakers is that I'm not sure your receiver can drive them properly. The Infinities for example dip into the 4 ohm region with a notable phase angle. .
the infinity p362's are 8 ohm so im good there
 

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