extremely high quality and extremely loud

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larry7995

Full Audioholic
What speaker are out there that will go way loud and still have excellent quality - flat response all across the range?
I just noticed I have to watch the volume a little when I am listening to techno stuff, I was listening to Paul van Dyk Politics of Dancing 2 and was overdriving the speakers during parts of it till I turned them down.
So someday when I marry into wealth and can afford them, what would be great choices?
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
Not sure of brands (except Klipsch), but my guess is you'd want horned midrange/tweets if you want to go really loud with minimal distortion. I think most if not all PA speakers are horned. Also look at efficiency in the specs, higher efficiency means they'll play louder (probably without as much distortion).

I've found that by running my mains set to small with the sub that I seem to be able to really crank them without as much distortion. THe sub is doing all the work with the low end (750 watt amp to boot).
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
What speaker are out there that will go way loud and still have excellent quality - flat response all across the range?
I just noticed I have to watch the volume a little when I am listening to techno stuff, I was listening to Paul van Dyk Politics of Dancing 2 and was overdriving the speakers during parts of it till I turned them down.
So someday when I marry into wealth and can afford them, what would be great choices?
Buy your hearing aids before you empty your bank account. Very accurate high power speakers are rare, and pretty much custom jobs.
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
I have heard Legacy speakers. All I can say is the member with the signature that says "A fool is soon parted from his money," describes purchasers of these speakers exactly.
Well, I must admit I've never auditioned them, but I've read really good things about them (in the past). So are you saying that they are crap?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Well, I must admit I've never auditioned them, but I've read really good things about them (in the past). So are you saying that they are crap?
In the words of the great Monty Python gang: - "Say no more!"
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
In the words of the great Monty Python gang: - "Say no more!"
Also, just because something sounded "bad" to you hardly means they would sound bad to me, or someone else for that matter.

However, my money is my money. And just because someone can spend more of it hardly makes them a fool. Monty Python sucks...That's my opinion.

Now whether or not I'd actually spend 10-15 grand on speakers is another story.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Also, just because something sounded "bad" to you hardly means they would sound bad to me, or someone else for that matter.

However, my money is my money. And just because someone can spend more of it hardly makes them a fool. Monty Python sucks...That's my opinion.
True, but I think people have to develop a good personal reference. Now I admit that is difficult in the pop/rock world. The music is largely already electronic!

However in the classical world it is possible and essential. Regular attendance at concerts is de rigeur. Now I recorded live concerts over many years. Those years were pivotal in honing my speaker designs. Which was one of the reasons I recorded so many concerts as a public service to the local public radio station. Once you have a good internal frame of reference it does not take long to tell whether a speaker is accurate or not. We are not talking just pleasing here, but pleasing and accurate.

I have designed a few custom high powered speakers in my time. Not many, as my designs are much higher in cost than commercial realizations and bids.

Until a few months ago I had a modular high performance high spl system that I used on location very occasionally. Unfortunately due to lack of storage space available to me now, I had to break it up and some of the drivers will go up for sale on eBay.

In 1988 I was engaged to record the ND Centennial Opera, Sakakawea.

A New York director was hired, and the assistant conductor of the Dallas Symphony Orchestra. Only two of the singers were fully professional, and the orchestra pit in the Chester Fritz Auditorium is on the small size. Sound reinforcement was required, and an outfit hired to do it. When I arrived the composer was having a fit over the sound, and asked me if there was anything I could do.

I went home, organized a crew and brought in my modular system and 1200 watts of amp power all together.

I carefully set up microphones in the orchestra pit, and hid microphones in the scenery. When I got the system working, the New York director vowed the system was not working, as he was used to his "commercial sound."

I took the director up to the first balcony. I had an assistant at the control desk. When I raised my hand, I had the assistant cut my system, when I lowered it, I had him restore it. When the system came in the sound increased about 10 db, but the character of the sound did not change.

Members of the audience surveyed after the performance did not believe sound reinforcement had been used. That is what I mean by an accurate high spl system.

Honestly, the only highly accurate high spl systems I have heard, have been custom.

The reason is cost. If you can build it for a one off, it is OK. But once you talk low volume production, the cost becomes prohibitive. I did a cost analysis just for fun, I did a cost analysis of what the final retail coast of my three front speakers would be if you produced them for retail. The cost with manufacture, freight distributor and dealer, would put the front three speakers at around $100,000.
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
I did a cost analysis just for fun, I did a cost analysis of what the final retail coast of my three front speakers would be if you produced them for retail. The cost with manufacture, freight distributor and dealer, would put the front three speakers at around $100,000.
But none of us are willing to drop that kind of cash. Shoot, that makes 10-15 grand look like chump change.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
But none of us are willing to drop that kind of cash. Shoot, that makes 10-15 grand look like chump change.
That is the point! Those sort of systems can generally only be done as one offs, like the famous BBC Roger/Quad monitors. Once everybody gets their pound of flesh it is prohibitive. Although the cost of developing and building these speakers was significant, it was not $100,000! Set up a situation for small production runs, and market it up through the food chain and you get there. As Senator Obama said in his speech to Wall Street, "Pain trickles up."
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
Posts like this should really come with a price qualifyer. The comercial recording studios 'make due' with mass produced speakers. even those like Deuche Gramaphone, which produce high qulaity classical recordings.

TLS Guy, you set the bar much higher than most of us do and seem to have the passion and skill to meet those expectaions for yourself.

I know I will be happy with my $1500 fronts. They will play plenty loud and quite clean enough for me.

To the OP, you can probably add the B&W 801D to your if-I-win-the-lottery list.

Fred
 
Soundman

Soundman

Audioholic Field Marshall
So someday when I marry into wealth and can afford them, what would be great choices?
Let me know how that turns out... and also how you pulled it off. :D
 
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fmw

Audioholic Ninja
Buy your hearing aids before you empty your bank account. Very accurate high power speakers are rare, and pretty much custom jobs.

Not at all. The pro audio world has all kinds of them. A good bet would those manufactured by Genelec. I'm not suggesting they are cheap. But they certainly aren't rare or custom.
 
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gwilks98

Audioholic Intern
This isn't my area of expertise, so I may get laughed at, but....

My college roomate bought some nicer Cerwin Vega floorstanders. Those babies could get LOUD. I didn't have the ear for distortion, so I can't tell you how bad they would sound to me now. You want techno bumping, those will do it.

If that doesn't cut it, go for speakers with a powered sub in them. (Definitive Tech bipolars)

I have no idea if I'm in your price range, so please keep that in mind.
 
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