Epik Empire or SVS PB12 Plus

[FirstReflection]

Nice! Very nice work on those graphs and your dual sub setup! And a great example of what I've often mentioned about how quad subs are certainly still preferable in a "cost no object" solution (especially for a large seating area), but that dual subs that are well placed and with a bit of EQ can still produce very good results - often at a lower price, or at the same price but with higher quality or higher output subs than a quad setup at the same price would allow.

Again, quad subs is still the "ultimate" way to go if you can afford it and have the positions open to place all for subs. But Nuance has a great example here of how dual subs, with some patient setup and a bit of EQ can still come darn close!

 

[lsiberian]

100 db at 20hz is the general target for max peak spl from a sub for me. Both subs meet that requirement. One sub is much cheaper.

100db is a lot of bass enough to make some people feel ill.

 

[Nuance AH]

Nice! Very nice work on those graphs and your dual sub setup! And a great example of what I've often mentioned about how quad subs are certainly still preferable in a "cost no object" solution (especially for a large seating area), but that dual subs that are well placed and with a bit of EQ can still produce very good results - often at a lower price, or at the same price but with higher quality or higher output subs than a quad setup at the same price would allow.

Again, quad subs is still the "ultimate" way to go if you can afford it and have the positions open to place all for subs. But Nuance has a great example here of how dual subs, with some patient setup and a bit of EQ can still come darn close!

Thanks buddy; I am glad you approve.

 

[djreef]

100 db at 20hz is the general target for max peak spl from a sub for me. Both subs meet that requirement. One sub is much cheaper.

100db is a lot of bass enough to make some people feel ill.

Are you implying that at said levels there could, theoretically, be the inducement of a 'brown sound' event?

DJ

 

[Nuance AH]

Are you implying that at said levels there could, theoretically, be the inducement of a 'brown sound' event?

DJ

LOL! If you mean what I think you do, that myth was busted on Mythbusters.

 

[timoteo]

Yeah that was a good MB episode! No it wont make you cr@p yourself, but nausea is an absolute possibility!! I have experienced a little dizziness & slight nausea in a vehicle that had very intense bass. I dont know what dBs we were at but i didnt feel all that well. Kind of a car sick feeling. The "Brown Note" is not true though haha fortunately!!

 

[j_garcia]

Yeah that was a good MB episode! No it wont make you cr@p yourself, but nausea is an absolute possibility!! I have experienced a little dizziness & slight nausea in a vehicle that had very intense bass. I dont know what dBs we were at but i didnt feel all that well. Kind of a car sick feeling. The "Brown Note" is not true though haha fortunately!!

I've had massive amounts of bass in small cars previously and never got nauseated. When you get to the point where you can feel your eyeballs actually vibrating, you should probably have hearing protection in anyway

 

[Irvrobinson]

100 db at 20hz is the general target for max peak spl from a sub for me. Both subs meet that requirement. One sub is much cheaper.

100db is a lot of bass enough to make some people feel ill.

Totally agree, but most bass in source material is short duration (except for, perhaps, earthquakes and organs) and 100db for a second or less just makes things sound realistic.

I use only one sub and got great results after a lot of sub position experimentation and the crawl method. I held off ordering the second sub until failing with just one, and I'm glad I did because I never ordered the second. It is possible to succeed with one sub, but my room isn't a box either.

If I had it to do over though, I admit I'd probably go for two smaller subs (e.g. SVS SB13-Plus) versus the one big sub (DD18+) I ended up with.

 

[timoteo]

Interesting that you have a DD18+ but wish you had dual SB-13Pluses. If you are getting good results with the DD why would you want the SBs? Just curious!

 

[Irvrobinson]

Interesting that you have a DD18+ but wish you had dual SB-13Pluses. If you are getting good results with the DD why would you want the SBs? Just curious!

It's not that I wish for SB-13+s in place of the DD18+, it is that if I were doing it over I would probably prefer two smaller subs over the one monster. I'm more than happy with the performance of the DD18+; it blends in perfectly with the Salon 2s and has transformed my system. But it is very large and very heavy. Inching it around to get the smoothest in-room response and using the crawl method was literally a PITA. Two SB-13+s would fit behind my main speakers, probably give me comparable bass for music, and the wisdom from the technically competent (like GranteedEV) around here is that it is easier to get smooth response with two subs than one. Not to mention something like half price.

Finally, when I ordered the DD18+ I was unwilling to take a chance on an internet-direct speaker I couldn't see or hear. Reading more feedback on this site about SVS, lots of which is pretty new, leads me to be more trusting that I could expect to be satisfied. I'm rather discerning about audio products, so I choose carefully.

Don't get me wrong, the D18+ is a great product, IMHO. I have no intention of swapping it out, I'm just saying I'd probably go down a different path if I had it to do over again.

 

[Nuance AH]

It's not that I wish for SB-13+s in place of the DD18+, it is that if I were doing it over I would probably prefer two smaller subs over the one monster. I'm more than happy with the performance of the DD18+; it blends in perfectly with the Salon 2s and has transformed my system. But it is very large and very heavy. Inching it around to get the smoothest in-room response and using the crawl method was literally a PITA. Two SB-13+s would fit behind my main speakers, probably give me comparable bass for music, and the wisdom from the technically competent (like GranteedEV) around here is that it is easier to get smooth response with two subs than one. Not to mention something like half price.

Finally, when I ordered the DD18+ I was unwilling to take a chance on an internet-direct speaker I couldn't see or hear. Reading more feedback on this site about SVS, lots of which is pretty new, leads me to be more trusting that I could expect to be satisfied. I'm rather discerning about audio products, so I choose carefully.

Don't get me wrong, the D18+ is a great product, IMHO. I have no intention of swapping it out, I'm just saying I'd probably go down a different path if I had it to do over again.

^ You have an awesome system!

 

[timoteo]

Oh ok makes sense!

Ive heard the DD15+ in a sealed room approx 2000cuft & it sounded great! They were running it a bit hot though & i could sense some strain. I could imagine the 18 being very good.

Yes id agree that you have a very nice system as well. Congrats!!

Its good that your cautious about audio products but its also good to hear that your open to the idea of ID brands in the future. I wasnt taking a risk when i got my HSU because i listened in there demo room first. I can tell you i love them. SVS also makes a great product. Even better finishes & driver build than HSU (excluding ULS-15) & similar performance!

Do you have your system in the galleries?? Id love to see your system!!