Entry level Speakers Versus.....

[chadnliz]

Hey Gus, BTW if I never told you before you office system is better than far to many home systems you lucky dog!

 

[gus6464]

Hey Gus, BTW if I never told you before you office system is better than far to many home systems you lucky dog!

Thanks pretty much everything in it except for the Rolls Bellari is used gear so I saved quite a bit. I would like to a small musical sub but I have yet to find a superb deal on something like a used Martin Logan Dynamo, SVS SB12-Plus or the new Sunfire HRS-12 but I think in my system even an HRS-8 would suffice. Plus right now I have my eye on a Norh ACA2b tube preamp with a Winsome Mouse amp.

My wife has been talking about buying a condo in the city and if that happens I will get an office in it to myself which I want to convert into a full blown listening room. Maybe in 5-8 years I will get to buy the last speakers I will probably ever own which are the Quad ESL-2905 although the Salk Pharos HET has sparked my interest as well because of it's ruler flat FR.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

ML Summit

Impedance: 4 ohms, 0.7 ohms at 20kHz

Freq Resp: 24–23,000 Hz ± 3dB

I hope you have the amps to cover that 0.7 ohms of Impedance!

I heard MLs are famous for that extra LOW IMPEDANCE. I would make sure the amps can handle 2 ohms. In other words, you would definitely need a separate amp.

Oh, and the DT BP7000s are not ENTRY level speakers.

And PRICE does not equal better PERFORMANCE.

You have to compare the speakers for yourself in your own home, not some HT stores.

The best thing is that 30-Day Return policy. Gotta have it.

 

[chadnliz]

There are many amps that can handle the load without breaking the bank, at times I used a budget Parasound HCA800 (used for $200), old Carver amps, even an old Proton amp (poor man Mac) and an Aragon 4004 which can be had for $700, there are tons of options and as long as it can double power from 8 to 4 ohm that is a good bellweather to know it will drive them fine. Many forget to mention the woofer is powered in the Summit and other models freeing the amp used on top to drive an easier load, my Innersounds were at a very high (100ohm) load at the 450hz crossover point and close to 1ohm at 20,000hz and the Logan isnt that brutal so you will be fine with dozens of options. Amps that I would look at for any Logan would be Classe, Pass Labs, Innersound (made for ESL speakers), Parasound or even Rotel. The top of my list are the warmer sounding amps and bottom are more crisp but all will sound great!
Google the Martin Logan club and poke around there for some biased yet very useful info on anything Logan so you have all your questions answered by the most qualified people. If you buy the Logan's let me know if you want some sick *** Innersound surrounds as I am real close to giving them away if shipping is covered.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Logan is a speaker made by a company that I feel has higher standards and they dont lie about specs which cant be said for DT.

Really?

ML Montage Per ML Specs: Sens 90dB, 47 Hz - 20 khz +/- 3dB.

ML Montage per Stereophile: Sens 88dB, 60 Hz - 20 kHz +/-3dB.

http://stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/505ml/index3.html

I can list about 40 other speakers (Non - DefTech) that have Frequency Responses that are WAY OFF from the stated response.

Now are the ML speakers good? Yes, they are. But let's just focus on the speakers, not the Website of the speaker company. The question is Preference of sound quality, not if they list the specs with a +/-3dB tolerance and how close these listed specs are to the 3rd party measurements.

And just because you've heard some speakers in a store doesn't mean anything. A bad room can make exceptional speakers like the B&W 800D and 802D sound very mediocre. You have to judge the speaker in your own home theater.

If the OP wants to truly compare the DT 7000 vs the ML, he will need to audition them in his own home.

A speaker does not have to cost $5,500 or $7,500 or $23,000 to sound the "best". You definitely do NOT want to spend $7,500 on a pair of speakers that doesn't even sound as good to YOU as a pair of $2,000 speakers.

Hey, if the more expensive speakers truly sound the best to you, then it's the right one. But don't let the price be the determining factor. Let the actual sound be the factor as your own ears hear them in your own home.

 

[BobSD]

Final thought, I definately am not giving up my Definitives, they will be used for surround sound, I will be pushing my LM with an amp capable of delivering 400 watts at 4ohms. And I will give a very honest assessment both with the new amp and the ML.

 

[bandphan]

Final thought, I definately am not giving up my Definitives, they will be used for surround sound, I will be pushing my LM with an amp capable of delivering 400 watts at 4ohms. And I will give a very honest assessment both with the new amp and the ML.

which amp did you finally decide to pucrchase?

 

[3db]

Final thought, I definately am not giving up my Definitives, they will be used for surround sound, I will be pushing my LM with an amp capable of delivering 400 watts at 4ohms. And I will give a very honest assessment both with the new amp and the ML.

Well if you have the budget and the room, why not play.

But I do suggest you audition other speakers in the ML price range. You may find something that you like even more. Thats the fun part of speaker shopping.

 

[BobSD]

3db, I really caught hell when I named the amp (in the amp section of this forum) I was considering, and now will be getting. Only one person did not down the $3,500 amp. But after doing more research, and being a gambling man I am going to go for it! In my whole state of SD, the pop. is under one million, one reason we do not have much high end audio=no buyers. I appreciate forums like this to give me honest opinions but in the end I have to make the call. Thanks for your thoughts!