EMP ES10i SUBWOOFER question

gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
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I think the Outlaw will be significantly better. It has a more powerful amp and a larger enclosure. It extends down to 10 hertz, which will really come in handy for a lot of movies. It is not a absolute monster sub, but I think it is a significant step up from the EMP sub.
225 watts Bash power is typically about 2X double of a real world continuous rating.

You realize a tweeter also can go down to 10Hz? An extension spec is meaningless without knowing how much SPL it can do at that frequency. There is nothing magical about it.

Looking at the specs between these two subs, they appear to be similar with a slight edge to the Outlaw in terms of box volume and possibly dynamics since the amp is a bit bigger. You can't judge a product solely on specs.

That being said, I really like down firing subs especially for budget products since they do eliminate some of the port nastiness you tend to get from small enclosure low powered designs. Outlaw/HSU makes great subs and this is certainly an excellent deal.
 
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cwt4

Enthusiast
225 watts Bash power is typically about 2X double of a real world continuous rating.

You realize a tweeter also can go down to 10Hz? An extension spec is meaningless without knowing how much SPL it can do at that frequency. There is nothing magical about it.

Looking at the specs between these two subs, they appear to be similar with a slight edge to the Outlaw in terms of box volume and possibly dynamics since the amp is a bit bigger. You can't judge a product solely on specs.

That being said, I really like down firing subs especially for budget products since they do eliminate some of the port nastiness you tend to get from small enclosure low powered designs. Outlaw/HSU makes great subs and this is certainly an excellent deal.
Thanks for all the input Gene. From what your saying, being the outlaw is down firing, it will make for a good budget/entry sub. I know I am not getting something here that is the best thing on the market, but thats not what I am going for. I am just looking for a good entry product that will complement the EMPs... and I think from what you are saying that is what I am gettig right?

Thanks again
 
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cwt4

Enthusiast
Yes the Outlaw is a very good sub. It may in fact have more output at lower frequencies than the EMP but the EMP aesthetically matches the rest of your system. This is something to consider as well. Personally I'd get 2 subs if you could swing it.

I recommend reading:
http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good-bass/subwoofer-connection-guide
What would you think about getting the EMP now, and adding a second EMP later. do you think that would be a better setup? Also, about it matching... someone had mentioned earlier that they thought it would go well with it, do you feel like they would look completely different? Because if they dont match I will be going with the EMP. Thanks again for all your help!! Looking over that link you sent me now.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
Oops, I didn't mean what I wrote, sorry. What I meant was that it will extend down 10 hertz LOWER than the EMP sub, 25 hertz +/-3 db for the Outlaw vs 35 hertz for the EMP. Yeah, the Outlaw won't extend down to 10 hertz in a meaningful manner. If it did I would have bought two dozen for what they are charging for it. Very few subs can go down flat to 10 hertz. The ones that do are huge and expensive. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
What would you think about getting the EMP now, and adding a second EMP later. do you think that would be a better setup? Also, about it matching... someone had mentioned earlier that they thought it would go well with it, do you feel like they would look completely different? Because if they dont match I will be going with the EMP. Thanks again for all your help!! Looking over that link you sent me now.
That might not be a bad idea, however it won't help much with the frequencies below the EMP's extension. It certainly will help with the frequencies that the EMP does perform at, 35 hertz and above. There are also more benefits to having multiple subs other than just more SPL.

And how much does that extra lower 10 hertz mean to you? It will give more depth to things like explosions, earthquakes, lightning storms, etc. But there really isn't that much material recorded down in those regions outside of modern action movies. You can take a look at this list of movies and see what has stuff in the 25 to 35 hertz region. You can also look at this frequency chart to see what instruments take advantage of of that range, and not many do, really. Only the lowest few notes on the piano, contrabasson, harp, and pipe organ. Some electronic music will dip that low, but unless you listen to heavy-duty electro, drum'n'bass, dubstep, or raggea, you won't be missing much. I don't think even any rap or hip-hop get that low.

Those lower frequencies will also travels through walls better, something to consider for your neighbors. If you are truly concerned about your neighbors, maybe you should just stick with the EMP sub until you can get to a place where you can really let your system rip, and then you can buy something serious. You might try the EMP out, and return it if you think it's not enough for you. You can return it within 30 days for a full refund. Who knows, maybe that little sucker can rock your room. There is more to speakers than specs.
 
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cwt4

Enthusiast
Thanks for the info shady. Anyone else heard this EMP sub yet?
 
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ohadtax

Audiophyte
Thanks for the info shady. Anyone else heard this EMP sub yet?
I have the same idea with you. Great! Thanks for sharing. :cool:
Glad to hear you're using this: I plan to keep it much more aggressively up-to-date than has been the case in the past, but don't hesitate to let me know if you find errors or need clarifications.:rolleyes:
 
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Haaspac

Audioholic
Like I said in my earlier post, this EMP sub is more than enough bass for my 1 bedroom apartment on the third floor. There truthfully isn't any reason to need more power or more bass or more subwoofer's if you live in an apartment. If you have cool neighbors that don't mind building shaking bass then by all means get a beefier sub. You can always try the sub out and if it's not enough for you, send it back and get the outlaw or a HSU or svs if you want your neighbors to think there is an earthquake going on.
 
fightinkraut

fightinkraut

Full Audioholic
Can't start a new thread yet so thought I'd throw this in here...in case anyone is considering buying the EMP ES10i I just saw that they have quite a nice deal right here: EMP Special

Getting 5 decent little speakers for the same price as the stand alone sub looks good to me, anyone else?
 
Slater

Slater

Junior Audioholic
Can't start a new thread yet so thought I'd throw this in here...in case anyone is considering buying the EMP ES10i I just saw that they have quite a nice deal right here: EMP Special

Getting 5 decent little speakers for the same price as the stand alone sub looks good to me, anyone else?
I myself am in the same situation! Im going with the complete e5ti tower system but totally on the fence about the 10" sub vs a 12" with more power for my 20x20 living room which is also open to my kitchen area. Like the idea of matching speakers but should I take my $300 & put it elsewhere as far as the sub goes. I do have a KLH 10" 120w but I would imagine that is garbage to pair with the EMP?
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
I myself am in the same situation! Im going with the complete e5ti tower system but totally on the fence about the 10" sub vs a 12" with more power for my 20x20 living room which is also open to my kitchen area. Like the idea of matching speakers but should I take my $300 & put it elsewhere as far as the sub goes. I do have a KLH 10" 120w but I would imagine that is garbage to pair with the EMP?
That little EMP sub is a lot more powerful than its driver size and power rating would suggest. For $300 its a pretty good deal. Rather than going with a larger sub, you may want to instead going with two of these subs for the following reasons:

http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good-bass/two-subs
 
fightinkraut

fightinkraut

Full Audioholic
And to add to the sweetness of the deal right now, I don't believe this can be beat. $250 shipped, and you pick white or black speakers. I'm fighting with myself about ordering it and trying to sell the speakers to someone because I don't technically have the money... :) I think with this hobby you have to deal with constant attempts at justifying purchases!
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
And to add to the sweetness of the deal right now, I don't believe this can be beat. $250 shipped, and you pick white or black speakers. I'm fighting with myself about ordering it and trying to sell the speakers to someone because I don't technically have the money... I think with this hobby you have to deal with constant attempts at justifying purchases!
wow that's an insane deal and better than the Audioholics E-store offering. I recommend anyone looking for a good compact system to jump on this or give it as a XMAS gift. I wonder if this is a misprint. :confused:
 
fightinkraut

fightinkraut

Full Audioholic
wow that's an insane deal and better than the Audioholics E-store offering. I recommend anyone looking for a good compact system to jump on this or give it as a XMAS gift. I wonder if this is a misprint. :confused:
I saw it a while ago and it wouldn't let me add it to cart, but they've re-done the website since then and it appears to be a valid deal, it lets me add to cart with no problem. Really wish someone would purchase some of the stuff here so I could jump on it!
 
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cwt4

Enthusiast
that is an awsome deal. First of all, you save 50$ off the regular price of the sub and you get 5 extra speakers. If anything put them on ebay and get 50 bucks and you saved 100$ off the sub.
 
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