Emotiva & Audioholics, mutual admiration society?

[Matt34]

That was my post, but not the ORIGINAL question. It was changed to suit the need of a moderator who didn't like my question. My entire original post was made a mockery of and you're doing the same with this one.

It is obvious (with the exception of a few) that most long-term members here belong to their own fanclub and enjoy bashing posters with legitimate questions.

John

Seriously?? Please tell me how I'm making a mockery of this thread? I've seriously tried to answer the man's questions but I'm now completely lost in what the question is anymore?

I know that was your thread and the circumstances around it.

 

[Shock]

I have come to take the reviews on this site as some of the most helpful I've read, online or in a magazine.

Tom, Gene and Clint, know what they're talking about, atleast in my opinion. I wouldn't come to the site If i thought otherwise.


::: Hopefully a little brown nosing will get me that amp...... :::

Heck I'd settle for a hat.....but oh wait the AH Store will charge me 50 bucks to ship it to Canada

zing.

 

[john72953]

Seriously?? Please tell me how I'm making a mockery of this thread? I've seriously tried to answer the man's questions but I'm now completely lost in what the question is anymore?

I know that was your thread and the circumstances around it.

Matt,

Let me rephrase...I meant YOU as a collective...not personally.

If you took it that way I aologize.

John

 

[zhimbo]

+1. It's a taboo subject to discuss around here. I found that out after I created an Emotiva post (only my 2nd.one) and got absolutely reemed and my words got twisted more than once.

Dude. That thread is still available. Anyone can go read it. The "abuse" had NOTHING to do with you asking about Emotiva. You really should re-read your own writing until you figure that out.

 

[zhimbo]

you simply must not have read the original post or my replies

Anyone can make random block quotes of unrelated comments and then give a cryptic-yet-sneering one liner.

I recommend trying to communicate better instead.

 

[Matt34]

Matt,

Let me rephrase...I meant YOU as a collective...not personally.

If you took it that way I aologize.

John

Your going to get this in any forum you visit, period. Emotiva is generally well liked here and as such has brought a bunch of satisfied customers together for that "fanboy" feeling. I can say I've owned four different EMO amps, three of them used and never a problem out of any of them. Now, that is just my experience, Adam, on the other had has had a couple problems with a single product from Emotiva. That is where you as the consumer need to do your own filtering when researching a product weather it be Emotiva, AV123, Axiom, etc.

Why they don't avertise elsewhere or send their products to print mags, I have no idea??? Best to get that answer from the horse's mouth imo.

 

[john72953]

Dude. That thread is still available. Anyone can go read it. The "abuse" had NOTHING to do with you asking about Emotiva. You really should re-read your own writing until you figure that out.

First of all...my name is John...NOT Dude!

Second, I don't need lessons from you as to how to read.

Third, no one EVER (not even once) answered my original question.

And fourth.....you've added nothing constructive, so why bother posting a comment to begin with.

John

 

[jinjuku]

Basically all he is saying is that the majority of the reviews on Emo gear come from this site or Emo's own site.
Patently NOT TRUE. Did you or did you not see the 20+ links for EMO on other sites?

In his opinion it is a very limited source of info.
What, the fact that he was only looking at AH? and not any of the other sites?

You all have been praising Emo for years & just fairly recently have other sites started talking about it.
So AH'ers are somehow conspiring aholes because they figured out a great product and knew about it YEARS ahead of time?! Are you kidding?!

I took all the praise here with a grain of salt since it appeared that NO one had any negatives to says. NO product can be absolutely perfect, so it doesn't appear to be balanced.
There are good and bad reviews and purveyors of product from every walk. I have never seen AH pull any punches. If you can find a flaw with EMO's current line up, knock yourself out

Finally, some members of the Polk board that I am a member of got themselves some Emo gear. When they came back & said it was good stuff....then I finally accepted that they made a good product Especially for the price. The last company that got that kind of buzz was Outlaw.
But Aperion, Ascend, Axiom, AV123 boards are all just shills? The Polk boards are fine?

It all comes down to trusting people who you are familair with & who know their stuff as far as audio goes. That usually means people on the board you frequent the most. Which is usually a board that you have a peice of gear from.

Now if I didn't have Polk speakers, why would I think to go to their site to look up reviews of Emo gear? And I certainly wouldn't expect to find people talking about Emo gear on say a Rotel, or B & W site.
Because intermediary components have nothing to do with a particular speaker manufacturer? Cast a wide net, catch more fish

And if I am looking for info, I do want CURRENT info, so I wouldn't put much stock in a review that is from 2005. Anything could have happened from then til now.
Uhg... Yah, because Ferrari could just all the sudden suck next year

The OP didn't bash Emo or this site (as far as I'm concerned) and he did ask a legitimate question & believe me outside of this site it gets asked alot.

Even the OP title of the post is snarky and setup this thread to be contentious

Saying: It seems that most to ALL of Emotiva's accolades come from audiohiolics
Not true

Saying: but it is EXTREMELY hard to find them reviewed elsewhere Again, not true

Saying: Now it maybe the case that all Emotiva lovers flock to the site. But this is odd. Insinuation

Saying in the OP Title: Emotiva & Audioholics, mutual admiration society?Again, more insinuation and innuendo

That is all from the FIRST post. It reads loud and clear. What would you like the people that frequent AH to think?

 

[john72953]

Your going to get this in any forum you visit, period. Emotiva is generally well liked here and as such has brought a bunch of satisfied customers together for that "fanboy" feeling. I can say I've owned four different EMO amps, three of them used and never a problem out of any of them. Now, that is just my experience, Adam, on the other had has had a couple problems with a single product from Emotiva. That is where you as the consumer need to do your own filtering when researching a product weather it be Emotiva, AV123, Axiom, etc.

Why they don't avertise elsewhere or send their products to print mags, I have no idea??? Best to get that answer from the horse's mouth imo.

Matt,

Your last line may the closest to a real answer I was originally looking for. I think it's great that people enjoy any given product and are passionate enough to express their experience with them.

For your information Matt, I have been buying audio equipment for nearly 40 years and have owned many brands over that time. I know how to do my research about product, much like I think the TS does, but it is discouraging to see the frequency of negative posts and sometimes out-and-out attacks on a person's knowledge or character that so often exhibit themselves here.

Like I said to Gene in a PM, it is very unsettling as a newcomer to get barraged with sometimes personal attacks on a thread that was created out of sincerity.

John

 

[Adam]

Let me see if I can try to summarize the first 69 posts of our newest sticky in terms of how it probably comes across to a lot of people:

"I have a question"
"You're a troll"
"No - you're a troll"
"No, no - I said that YOU are a troll"
"That person isn't a troll"
"Yes they are, and so are you"

Sure, there are several constructive comments and informative posts in here, but it all gets bogged down in the unproductive insults that people feel the need to throw in the ring. Just my two cents.

"Adam, you're a troll"

 

[zhimbo]

on a thread that was created out of sincerity.

John

And what I was trying to tell you in my "Dude" post, is that no one reading your posts in that thread would take them as sincere. Again, I urge you to read your posts from another's point of view.

I didn't take your posts as sincere...and I don't own Emotiva. I'm not particularly inclined to buy from Emotiva. I have no dog in the hunt, no horse in the race.

Why doesn't anyone who's interested in why Emotiva doesn't get wider press...you know, ask "Why doesn't Emotiva get wider press?" Why is it always framed as "Something's Wrong WITH AUDIOHOLICS FANBOYZZZZ!!!!"???? I mean, Geez, look at the title of this thread...

 

[zhimbo]

Let me see if I can try to summarize the first 69 posts of our newest sticky in terms of how it probably comes across to a lot of people:

"I have a question"
[...]

There's no mystery here. You forgot the first part.

The title of this thread.

The rest is predetermined from that unfortunate starting point.

 

[Adam]

Why doesn't anyone who's interested in why Emotiva doesn't get wider press...you know, ask "Why doesn't Emotiva get wider press?" Why is it always framed as "Something's Wrong WITH AUDIOHOLICS FANBOYZZZZ!!!!"???? I mean, Geez, look at the title of this thread...

You know, that is one solid point. Seriously.

 

[john72953]

And what I was trying to tell you in my "Dude" post, is that no one reading your posts in that thread would take them as sincere. Again, I urge you to read your posts from another's point of view.

I didn't take your posts as sincere...and I don't own Emotiva. I'm not particularly inclined to buy from Emotiva. I have no dog in the hunt, no horse in the race.

Why doesn't anyone who's interested in why Emotiva doesn't get wider press...you know, ask "Why doesn't Emotiva get wider press?" Why is it always framed as "Something's Wrong WITH AUDIOHOLICS FANBOYZZZZ!!!!"???? I mean, Geez, look at the title of this thread...

You have YOUR opinion...I have MINE....

Let's leave it at that, shall we?

John

 

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[mike c]

First of all...my name is John...NOT Dude!

Second, I don't need lessons from you as to how to read.

Third, no one EVER (not even once) answered my original question.

And fourth.....you've added nothing constructive, so why bother posting a comment to begin with.

John

noone answered your question? here was your question

why aren't there any reviews from respected mags like The Absolute Sound and the like?

and here was post #7 of that thread.

Most internet direct companies don't meet the requirements set forth by publications to be reviewed. Many of the larger publications require a certain representation within brick and mortar stores among other things. Such requirements go directly against the idea of internet direct sales hence the minimal representation in said publications.

maybe you do need to re-read that thread.

seriously dudes (not meaning you John, i meant dudes as in collectively), if you don't like the brand, don't buy it.

i am not really a part of the audioholics site or forum reviews, as i live a million miles away ... i don't own emo products ... i don't even think i want to buy an emo product to ship a million miles because i am afraid of warranty issues.

but this need for users to try to "expose" the "conspiracies" is just plain unnecessary.

 

[john72953]

noone answered your question? here was your question



and here was post #7 of that thread.



maybe you do need to re-read that thread.

seriously dudes (not meaning you John, i meant dudes as in collectively), if you don't like the brand, don't buy it.

i am not really a part of the audioholics site or forum reviews, as i live a million miles away ... i don't own emo products ... i don't even think i want to buy an emo product to ship a million miles because i am afraid of warranty issues.

but this need for users to try to "expose" the "conspiracies" is just plain unnecessary.

Mike C,

Nice you came out of the woodwork, even though you didn't contribute much in my thread other than that masterstroke of genius to change my TS. It was a hoot to read to be honest. Having said that, I think that regardless of what you may have felt about my postings, changing my TS was the wrong thing to do. And I quite frankly don't think it should be allowed.

Anyone can highlight snippets of posts and make a case. It's what politicians do at every occasion when it works to their benefit. That's why I don't hold much stock in what they have to say.

If there is real honest discussion to be had, I'm all for it. But I won't be consumed or entrapped by posts that offer only negative comments regardless of how much you try to explain your position. Hence my reference to Fanboyism on a few occasions.

As a moderator Mike, I think you should be stepping in and disallow all the BS some of these topics conjure up. Instead, like you did with my TS change...you inflamed it.

John

 

[mike c]

highlight snippets? those are complete quotes of the posts. (3 posts)

you asked a question, multiple people answered. but there still was pot stirring, i changed the thread title - because it was much more fun than continuing to read the crap inside.

if i had stepped in, as a moderator, i would have banned the troll(s) and deleted or locked the thread. but since i really did not care about how emo does, i ignored the threads. i just found the concept of your initial thread funny, which was:

how can emo be THAT good if it's not in X magazine - or thereabouts. it's both a bait and a flawed argument.

 

[Adam]

John, I supported you (and have nothing against you)- but I think that you need to take a step back and look at what happened in your thread.

• You asked a question.
• Andrew gave you a good answer (the one Mike quoted) early on in your thread. He is not a fanboy, and he didn't attack you.
• I posted in your thread. I didn't attack you, and I'm not a fanboy.
• You then posted that every single person attacked you (or something like that) and that no one answered your question.
• You ignored answers and kept asking the same question, saying that no one was answering it.
• Mike changed the title sometime after that.

That's my recollection. I could be wrongly remembering it, but I firmly believe that at least the first four bullets are accurate.

EDIT: Ahhh, Mike has responded with a similar point.

 

[Matt34]

If there is real honest discussion to be had, I'm all for it. But I won't be consumed or entrapped by posts that offer only negative comments regardless of how much you try to explain your position.

I've felt like this in the past two threads about Emotiva and now ask my self if it was all for naught? I'm going to lock and leave this as a sticky as I think both sides made there case and will let the reader make up their own mind.