Emotiva & Audioholics, mutual admiration society?

[Rickster71]

The upgrade program is for their Pre-pros only

 

[Adam]

The upgrade program is for their Pre-pros only

That's what I thought. People don't send them back, though, do they? I thought that the upgrade program was a discount off of future purchases, but that people kept their existing hardware.

 

[egreen1976]

Sounds like you didn't read or understand my post #14 at all

I don't think anyone is looking for a definitive word on good or bad products, but the more you know and educate yourself before purchases the better. I spend about 7K to 15K a year on AV products and in my experience, products with generally outstanding reviews are welll... generally outstanding!

along those lines the more positive reviews or sentiment the better for both the company and consumer.

 

[Bugbitten]

That's what I thought. People don't send them back, though, do they? I thought that the upgrade program was a discount off of future purchases, but that people kept their existing hardware.

Correct! Keep the hardware plus get discount on new hardware!

 

[Rickster71]

That's what I thought. People don't send them back, though, do they? I thought that the upgrade program was a discount off of future purchases, but that people kept their existing hardware.

You're right Adam, we keep the old one.
And get to tell our wives how great a deal it is. And that we'd be crazy to pass up a 40% discount.

 

[egreen1976]

Thanks Matt. I just absolutely hate it when someone hits a board like this and said what they said.

Instead of saying: Hey, I can't find more information than X. Am I doing something wrong? They ASSUME. That burns me big time.

I just love debunking one idiotic notion after the next.

I also hate it when morons assume that they can pull out limited information and think that it is somehow accurate or representative. I have come across all the information put forth so far and it just isn't that much!

Noone ever said audioholics was the only source, just that it is the major one and there isn't much else. (NOT THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE) please note the difference in the concepts

So someone found references in other forums but did someone compare the volume of references/reviews when compared to other AV manufacturers. AGAIN MUCH LESS!!!

Also, I would say many folks still use the popular AV mags to influence there decisions and there is almost no Emotiva reviews or references in any of these.

For the record, my dilligence skills are very very good. It's what I do for a living.

And AGAIN! the mere popularity of this topic should be evidence this is not out of left field. I would even venture to say more than a fwe members are probably a tad timid when it comes to discussing this topic because of the backlash, nonsense, and name calling that goes on.

 

[Adam]

Sweet. We're now firmly into the name calling zone.

I think that it was a fair question, and it got some fair responses. The bashing of other members on either side of the discussion doesn't help get to an answer, but it seems to happen every time this gets brought up.

Okay, enough of my whining that people should get along. Carry on.

 

[Rickster71]

so the real question is how does Emotiva deliver such a value that others can not emulate. Eliminating middle men has to be a SURE cost reducer. I can't imagine they get cheaper componenets or build cost, than bigger manufacturers.

For the record, my dilligence skills are very very good. It's what I do for a living.

I was referring to this post when I said "Sounds like you didn't read or understand my post #14 at all"
With all those "diligence" skills and all that.

 

[jinjuku]

So someone found references in other forums but did someone compare the volume of references/reviews when compared to other AV manufacturers. AGAIN MUCH LESS!!!

Also, I would say many folks still use the popular AV mags to influence there decisions and there is almost no Emotiva reviews or references in any of these.

I have seen more than enough anecdotal posts out there to know that Emotiva is a great value purchase if one is so inclined to purchased a multi-channel amp.

For the record, my dilligence skills are very very good. It's what I do for a living.

If that was the case, why didn't you see any of the 20+ links during your bout of due dilligence that others and my-self were able to provide? Unless your due diligence is having others dig that information up for you after the fact.

And AGAIN! the mere popularity of this topic should be evidence this is not out of left field. I would even venture to say more than a fwe members are probably a tad timid when it comes to discussing this topic because of the backlash, nonsense, and name calling that goes on.

The only thing the regurgitation of a popular topic like this points out is that people don't think for themselves. They don't google for it and dig just even a little bit.

I think that someone that hasn't done a lot of research, that upon finding this thread, would not come in making baseless accusations:

"Emotiva & Audioholics, mutual admiration society?"

The thread title is purposefully meant to be provocative and condescending all because you can't take a moment out and:

1. ASK if there are OTHER SOURCES other than AH for good product information on EMO

2. Learn how to use both a search engine to find EMO reviews and then when becoming aware of enthusiasts sights, using the search engine there.

I have a real world example of this:

My wife is into jewelery making (glass beading mostly). For Christmas '06 I went online and started researching the best, for my budget, Oxy/Propane bead torches. If you think it is hard finding information on an AMP, try finding the cats meow of a bead torch. But with out whining about it on a board, I did my due diligence and found the Carlisle Mini. At the time (3 years ago) it was the best for the $$.

I dug and found the information. It was out there and I didn't get on any glass beading forums and start a snarky "This site + this manufacturer must equal some form of collusion" thread. No, I did my frikin' homework...

 

[egreen1976]

Thanks Matt. I just absolutely hate it when someone hits a board like this and said what they said.

Instead of saying: Hey, I can't find more information than X. Am I doing something wrong? They ASSUME. That burns me big time.

I just love debunking one idiotic notion after the next.

Yep, three points.

Philosophy, IMO, is very worthwhile. People need to step out of the daily grind and think about things on a level beyond, "should I have another cup of coffee." Of course, that's all that I'm thinking about right now...

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Back to the Emotiva topic, whether there is other press or not (which there now appears to be a decent amount) to help do research, they do allow returns. So, someone is liable for shipping (which could run $50-$100 because of the weight of these products), but nothing else. My advice is this, though - if you have a problem with a product and they haven't resolved it within the return window, send it back. Given that approach, you are only taking a risk on the shipping, and you might be very happy with the product given the price.

Gotcha. The pro review is a PDF file that the server won't let me access.

AffordableAudio
http://www.affordableaudio.org/EmotivaXPA2.pdf

I have seen more than enough anecdotal posts out there to know that Emotiva is a great value purchase if one is so inclined to purchased a multi-channel amp.



If that was the case, why didn't you see any of the 20+ links during your bout of due dilligence that others and my-self were able to provide? Unless your due diligence is having others dig that information up for you after the fact.



The only thing the regurgitation of a popular topic like this points out is that people don't think for themselves. They don't google for it and dig just even a little bit.

I think that someone that hasn't done a lot of research, that upon finding this thread, would not come in making baseless accusations:

"Emotiva & Audioholics, mutual admiration society?"

The thread title is purposefully meant to be provocative and condescending all because you can't take a moment out and:

1. ASK if there are OTHER SOURCES other than AH for good product information on EMO

2. Learn how to use both a search engine to find EMO reviews and then when becoming aware of enthusiasts sights, using the search engine there.

I have a real world example of this:

My wife is into jewelery making (glass beading mostly). For Christmas '06 I went online and started researching the best, for my budget, Oxy/Propane bead torches. If you think it is hard finding information on an AMP, try finding the cats meow of a bead torch. But with out whining about it on a board, I did my due diligence and found the Carlisle Mini. At the time (3 years ago) it was the best for the $$.

I dug and found the information. It was out there and I didn't get on any glass beading forums and start a snarky "This site + this manufacturer must equal some form of collusion" thread. No, I did my frikin' homework...

you simply must not have read the original post or my replies

 

[Adam]

you simply must not have read the original post or my replies

Just curious - why were my posts included in there?

 

[Matt34]

This is starting to descend to troll like status. I'm failing to understand the OP point as it's turning into the sequel of the, "emotiva isn't good because it's not in published AV mags" thread. AV mags do not legitamize products, nor would I blindly follow what they say.

In the end, nothing beats doing your own research and experiences. You have the product, enjoy it.

 

[cfrizz]

Basically all he is saying is that the majority of the reviews on Emo gear come from this site or Emo's own site.

In his opinion it is a very limited source of info.

You all have been praising Emo for years & just fairly recently have other sites started talking about it.

I took all the praise here with a grain of salt since it appeared that NO one had any negatives to says. NO product can be absolutely perfect, so it doesn't appear to be balanced.

Finally, some members of the Polk board that I am a member of got themselves some Emo gear. When they came back & said it was good stuff....then I finally accepted that they made a good product Especially for the price. The last company that got that kind of buzz was Outlaw.

It all comes down to trusting people who you are familair with & who know their stuff as far as audio goes. That usually means people on the board you frequent the most. Which is usually a board that you have a peice of gear from.

Now if I didn't have Polk speakers, why would I think to go to their site to look up reviews of Emo gear? And I certainly wouldn't expect to find people talking about Emo gear on say a Rotel, or B & W site.

And if I am looking for info, I do want CURRENT info, so I wouldn't put much stock in a review that is from 2005. Anything could have happened from then til now.

The OP didn't bash Emo or this site (as far as I'm concerned) and he did ask a legitimate question & believe me outside of this site it gets asked alot.

 

[Shock]

You can always send me one of their amps and I can give it my "professional" review. You might not get it back though....

 

[Adam]

You can always send me one of their amps and I can give it my "professional" review. You might not get it back though....

I'll get right on that. Oh, wait. We'd have to wait until your neighbors went on vacation before you'd turn it on.

 

[john72953]

I also hate it when morons assume that they can pull out limited information and think that it is somehow accurate or representative. I have come across all the information put forth so far and it just isn't that much!

Noone ever said audioholics was the only source, just that it is the major one and there isn't much else. (NOT THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE) please note the difference in the concepts

So someone found references in other forums but did someone compare the volume of references/reviews when compared to other AV manufacturers. AGAIN MUCH LESS!!!

Also, I would say many folks still use the popular AV mags to influence there decisions and there is almost no Emotiva reviews or references in any of these.

For the record, my dilligence skills are very very good. It's what I do for a living.

And AGAIN! the mere popularity of this topic should be evidence this is not out of left field. I would even venture to say more than a fwe members are probably a tad timid when it comes to discussing this topic because of the backlash, nonsense, and name calling that goes on.

+1. It's a taboo subject to discuss around here. I found that out after I created an Emotiva post (only my 2nd.one) and got absolutely reemed and my words got twisted more than once. One moderator, who obviosuly didn't like my question, changed the title post entirely...making a joke out of what I thought was a serious question.

As a result, I don't post questions. I just come here to read sometimes and add a comment once in a while. I will say that a select few members have been very helpful and encouraging and I thank them for that.

John

 

[Shock]

I'll get right on that. Oh, wait. We'd have to wait until your neighbors went on vacation before you'd turn it on.

HAHAHA you got a good chuckle out of me on that one.

It's not my fault I don't like to listen to music douchebagingly loud. I'm not one of those guys that opens their windows and plays music so everyone can see how crappy their taste in music is.

 

[john72953]

This is starting to descend to troll like status. I'm failing to understand the OP point as it's turning into the sequel of the, "emotiva isn't good because it's not in published AV mags" thread. AV mags do not legitamize products, nor would I blindly follow what they say.

In the end, nothing beats doing your own research and experiences. You have the product, enjoy it.

That was my post, but not the ORIGINAL question. It was changed to suit the need of a moderator who didn't like my question. My entire original post was made a mockery of and you're doing the same with this one.

It is obvious (with the exception of a few) that most long-term members here belong to their own fanclub and enjoy bashing posters with legitimate questions.

John

 

[Matt34]

Basically all he is saying is that the majority of the reviews on Emo gear come from this site or Emo's own site.

In his opinion it is a very limited source of info.

You all have been praising Emo for years & just fairly recently have other sites started talking about it.

I took all the praise here with a grain of salt since it appeared that NO one had any negatives to says. NO product can be absolutely perfect, so it doesn't appear to be balanced.
I know of at least two regulars here that don't care for Emotiva and a few more on AVSforums.

Finally, some members of the Polk board that I am a member of got themselves some Emo gear. When they came back & said it was good stuff....then I finally accepted that they made a good product Especially for the price. The last company that got that kind of buzz was Outlaw.

It all comes down to trusting people who you are familair with & who know their stuff as far as audio goes. That usually means people on the board you frequent the most. Which is usually a board that you have a peice of gear from.

Now if I didn't have Polk speakers, why would I think to go to their site to look up reviews of Emo gear? And I certainly wouldn't expect to find people talking about Emo gear on say a Rotel, or B & W site.
A simple google search as I did would bring you to a lot of those forums and the discussions about their products.

And if I am looking for info, I do want CURRENT info, so I wouldn't put much stock in a review that is from 2005. Anything could have happened from then til now.
A company as small as Emotiva staying in business that long says something to me. You'll see in the non-Audioholic links I've listed that some of the reviews are as new as of last month and span back to 05.

The OP didn't bash Emo or this site (as far as I'm concerned) and he did ask a legitimate question & believe me outside of this site it gets asked alot.
It's been a weekly occurance here with these types of threads lately. He already owns one of their amps, I really don't see why the questions, can he not figure out that he likes the product or does he need some print magazine to verify his experience?

Hey, what do we know, we're just a bunch of kooks and wackos, right? Yes I do read the Polk forums on occasion.

 

[Adam]

If I may:

John - I think that the majority of people here are good folks and don't bash other people's questions. I think that it's more the select few that do that stuff, as opposed to the other way around. Your intro into asking questions was, I think and hope, not the norm. I'm on here a lot, and people seem pretty cool. This particular question gets a few people riled up, though.

Matt - You make good points. I just have a comment about one of them. I think that it's only recently that some members have started to really voice their negative opinions on Emotiva. I kept my opinions to myself for quite a while because I thought there might be some backlash if I said anything. Everything here was so glowing. So, if I thought that, I can see where others would get that same impression. Now, my impression clearly wasn't reality - as some of us have expressed our opinions, and people have been cool with that.