DVD's with copyright protection

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kiran_sham

Junior Audioholic
I have a DVD player (DESAY, works good for me) and a DVD recorder (Panasonic ES10). I am trying to record a movie being played in my DVD player, feeding as input to the DVD recorder. But the copyright protection stuff is not letting me do it and the DVD recorder gives out a message saying recording can not be done.

I am recording this solely for my private use and not for sale or re-distribution. Does anyone know if there is any way of recording such discs that are protected? The DVD recorder manual says that it can not record stuffs having this protection, but I am looking for something like a hack (similar to region setting hack in DVD players). Any help in this regard would be appreciated!
 
JohnA

JohnA

Audioholic Chief
There might be someone who knows more...but, I think the only way to do it is by way of a computer, you have to be able to remove the copywrite protection from the DVD before you can record or copy it.
 
MacManNM

MacManNM

Banned
kiran_sham said:
I have a DVD player (DESAY, works good for me) and a DVD recorder (Panasonic ES10). I am trying to record a movie being played in my DVD player, feeding as input to the DVD recorder. But the copyright protection stuff is not letting me do it and the DVD recorder gives out a message saying recording can not be done.

I am recording this solely for my private use and not for sale or re-distribution. Does anyone know if there is any way of recording such discs that are protected? The DVD recorder manual says that it can not record stuffs having this protection, but I am looking for something like a hack (similar to region setting hack in DVD players). Any help in this regard would be appreciated!

DVD shrink 3.1 is the only way I know of that actually works. It is only for the computer/dvd burner.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
kiran_sham said:
I have a DVD player (DESAY, works good for me) and a DVD recorder (Panasonic ES10). I am trying to record a movie being played in my DVD player, feeding as input to the DVD recorder. But the copyright protection stuff is not letting me do it and the DVD recorder gives out a message saying recording can not be done.

I am recording this solely for my private use and not for sale or re-distribution. Does anyone know if there is any way of recording such discs that are protected? The DVD recorder manual says that it can not record stuffs having this protection, but I am looking for something like a hack (similar to region setting hack in DVD players). Any help in this regard would be appreciated!
You can do this, but you'll need a device to filter the Macrovision protection from the analog signal between the player and recorder. Here is an example:

http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?stk_code=simct2

-Chris
 
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korgoth

Full Audioholic
you can get a sima for less than 20 dollars that will do the job, just search it on ebay or half.com or somethin like that.

there are a million ways to do it on your computer as well, but unless you buy a pc dvd burner it will be stuck on your hard drive.
 
K

kiran_sham

Junior Audioholic
Hey, Sima sounds to be a good option. But does this really do the trick? I am not very sure since the website does not mention anywhere that it eleminates the copyright stuff.. They call it a video enhancer... Please do let me know.

And hey, whats the difference between a Sima CT2 and a CT1? I can guess that CT2 would have more features than CT1. But does CT1 also eleminate the copyright protection signals?

If everything is good with this, I think I am going to buy this one from ebay pretty soon! And yes, as most of you folks guessed, I don't have a DVD burner in my laptop :(
 
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furrycute

furrycute

Banned
The easiest way is to do this is on a computer, then burn a copy onto DVDR.

Freeware like DVD Decrypter, DVDShrink come to mind.

But DVD Decrypter just recently got shut down. DVDShrink is no longer being developed. Though they should still work on existing and older titles.
 
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korgoth

Full Audioholic
i actually own a sima and have never used it..

i did open up the packaging though. if youre interested in buying one for cheap ill look for it and ship it over.
 
K

kiran_sham

Junior Audioholic
Hey, no one has answered my question:
"But does Sima CT2 really do the trick? I am not very sure since the website does not mention anywhere that it eleminates the copyright stuff.. They call it a video enhancer."

and hey jety, did you say you own a sima CT2 itself?
 
furrycute

furrycute

Banned
DVD CSS decryption happens inside the DVD player. CSS protection is eliminated when the video signal is at the analog out stage. At the analog out stage, macrovision protection protects the video content.

That Sima unit probably eliminates the macrovision protection at the analog stage.

A computer based solution eliminates both the CSS encryption and macrovision protection at the digital stage. So it should give you better quality results.
 
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korgoth

Full Audioholic
yeha i have an older one though.. its a sima sed-cm2

does the same thing though, only analog.. rca and s-video. the only thing it does is take off the copyright, and if you want you can change it to black and white.

it also has a little video out level adjust. It claims it enhances the picture but there is no visible difference.

if you seriously want it, id ship it to you for cheap.. its been tested, but never used. maybe 5 minutes max.

http://www.welectronics.com/dvd/pioneer/SIMA.ASP
 
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JerryElbow

Enthusiast
kiran_sham said:
I have a DVD player (DESAY, works good for me) and a DVD recorder (Panasonic ES10). I am trying to record a movie being played in my DVD player, feeding as input to the DVD recorder. But the copyright protection stuff is not letting me do it and the DVD recorder gives out a message saying recording can not be done.

I am recording this solely for my private use and not for sale or re-distribution. Does anyone know if there is any way of recording such discs that are protected? The DVD recorder manual says that it can not record stuffs having this protection, but I am looking for something like a hack (similar to region setting hack in DVD players). Any help in this regard would be appreciated!
By some interpretations, what you're proposing to do is illegal, particularly if the DVD you are backing up is not one that you own. However, we'll assume that you still have the legal rights to back up discs that you do own.

Most (through perhaps not all) standalone DVD recorders have composite video and analog stereo audio inputs. Even if you can eliminate the MacroVision copy protection from the video (by a software hack, if available, on the source player or by some processing beteen the source player and the recorder), you still won't have the best possible video image as composite video just isn't as good as component video, much less digital video. Similarly, you're going to lose your Dolby Digital or DTS surround soundtrack and get, at best, a stereo soundtrack. In addition, once the signal gets "inside" the recorder, it has to be encoded into MPEG video and audio. Most will argue that "real-time" MPEG encoding on affordable standalone DVD recorders just aren't up to the task of encoding a very high quality video signal. Many recorders offer different "quality" settings, where the "best" quality setting (using the least amount of video compression) ends up giving you just one hour of video on a standard single-layer DVD/R disc. Also, most affordable standalone DVD recorders don't yet support dual-layer media that would increase the capacity at any "quality" setting. And it's not like dual-layer media is readily available anywhere or all that affordable yet, plus many DVD players have problems reading this format.

Other members have mentioned computer-based approaches to backing up DVDs. There are a variety of programs to do this, all of which will eliminate both the CSS digital copy protection and the MacroVision analog (if you will) copy protection. These programs typically "rip" the digital content to the hard drive and eliminate the copy protection schemes as they do so. Two free programs that do that are DVDShrink and DVDEncrypter (both for Windows). Though both are no longer being updated, they are still available.

Once you have the contents of the source disc on your hard drive, you can burn it to a PC-based DVD recorder drive using Copy-to-DVD (freeware if I recall) or popular (though not free) software like Nero Burning ROM and Roxio Easy CD/DVD Creator. This approach works for backing up single-layer discs onto single-layer DVD/R discs or backing up dual-layer discs (which include most movie DVDs) onto dual-layer DVD/R discs. What about backing up dual-layer discs onto single-layer DVD/R discs?

To do that, you have to main options. One is to re-encode ALL of the video on the source disc, adding significant extra levels of video compression. This approach keeps all the "extra" material (menus, extra soundtracks, commentaries, previews, "making of" documentaries, deleted scenes, etc.), but may give you video that is unwatchable, particularly on larger, better-quality HD displays. The other approach is to "re-author" the disk, eliminating all of the "extra" material and backing up "only" the movie itself (possibly even trimming the titles and/or credits as well). This approach can often fit the movie onto a single-layer disc with no additional compression, giving you an "exact" video copy. Even if you do have to add some compression, it won't be as much as if you still had all the "extra" material. Some people also like this approach because, when you stick the disc in, the movie simply starts - no previews, ads or anything. DVDShrink (freeware) can do either of the above approaches. DVD Decrypter can "rip" the film but doesn't do re-authoring. DVD2One can re-author, though without all of the flexibility of DVDShrink and is not freeware.

Technically, there is a third approach, which products like DVD XCopy used. These would more-or-less copy one layer of the source DVD to one DVD/R disc and the second layer to another DVD/R disc, and would automatically fiddle around a bit with the menus so that you couldn't choose a feature from the second disc if you were playing the first and vice versa. This required you to swap discs in mid-movie and didn't work with all features (particularly those movies that allow branching out to extra material during the movie whenever some graphic appears on screen).

There are a lot of DVD-copying packages out there and all of them, whether freeware or commercial, follow one or more of these approaches. Some give you great flexibility but require you to do more work. Others are simple "one-button" approaches which make all the decisions for you (which may not always be the ones you would have chosen).

I've used DVDShrink to back up a number of my DVDs. On a few newer ones with some forms of newer copy protection, DVDShrink couldn't fully read the disc onto the drive. For those, I used DVD Decrypter, which added a few new tricks to handle the newer discs. I then pointed DVDShrink at the files on the hard drive and let it do its magic.

I think we should all be able to back up discs (Audio CDs, DVDs, games, etc.) that we own. I'd rather have little ones messing up a backup copy of a Disney flick than gumming up an original. Just my opinion though.
 
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kiran_sham

Junior Audioholic
Jerry, That was awesome! You mentioned so many new things. However, I could not find any freeware for DVD ripping. I have not checked freewares for buring though!

And hey, I think reproducing DVDs for ones personal use is legal. However, using it for re-sale or re-distribution is illegal. I thought that is what I read on the FBI warning message on DVDs (now that you mentioned about this, I need to re-check).

BTW, what kind of movies use CSS encryption? I guess I have not encountered that so far in the DVDs I backed up.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
kiran_sham said:
And hey, I think reproducing DVDs for ones personal use is legal. However, using it for re-sale or re-distribution is illegal. I thought that is what I read on the FBI warning message on DVDs (now that you mentioned about this, I need to re-check).
Even if some part of law or a previous case established that time-shifting, medium shifting, etc., through DVD ripping, for example, is legal.... your supposed right is then removed[if your DVD is encrypted] by the DMCA provisions that prevent circumvention of encryption(s), regardless of if the purpose is to exercise your fair use rights[if such fair use protections apply]. Contradiction. Un-balanced laws in favor of corporations. Suprise. :rolleyes:

-Chris
 
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JerryElbow

Enthusiast
kiran_sham said:
Jerry, That was awesome! You mentioned so many new things. However, I could not find any freeware for DVD ripping. I have not checked freewares for buring though!

And hey, I think reproducing DVDs for ones personal use is legal. However, using it for re-sale or re-distribution is illegal. I thought that is what I read on the FBI warning message on DVDs (now that you mentioned about this, I need to re-check).

BTW, what kind of movies use CSS encryption? I guess I have not encountered that so far in the DVDs I backed up.
Search for DVDShrink and for DVD Decrypter. Both were freeware and neither are still being updated, but both are pretty good.

The legality of backing up DVDs is still kind of grey. On the one hand, there are laws that say we can back up media that we own and that should include DVDs. On the other hand, there are laws protecting certain types of copy protection, including CSS, and any tools that break those types of copy protection are considered illegal.

I was under the impression that most, if not all, DVD movies have CSS encryption. If you're running a program like AnyDVD (not freeware) in the background, it breaks CSS somewhat invisibly, so you can simply copy the files from the DVD to the hard drive or to a DVD burner and media (assuming you don't need to re-compress or re-author).
 
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zoran

Audioholic
JerryElbow said:
Search for DVDShrink and for DVD Decrypter. Both were freeware and neither are still being updated, but both are pretty good.

The legality of backing up DVDs is still kind of grey. On the one hand, there are laws that say we can back up media that we own and that should include DVDs. On the other hand, there are laws protecting certain types of copy protection, including CSS, and any tools that break those types of copy protection are considered illegal.

I was under the impression that most, if not all, DVD movies have CSS encryption. If you're running a program like AnyDVD (not freeware) in the background, it breaks CSS somewhat invisibly, so you can simply copy the files from the DVD to the hard drive or to a DVD burner and media (assuming you don't need to re-compress or re-author).

I found some problems with anydvd lately, esp Incredibles?
 
patnshan

patnshan

Senior Audioholic
Lose DTS or DD?

I know for certain that using DVD shrink to rip a DVD for backup allows for full, unchanged, audio tracks in 5.1. I think you can choose what you want it to shrink. We generally choose to shrink the video portion, and frankly, my eyes cannot tell the difference from the original. Once these discs are burned, I can play them in my DVD player and get full surround audio through SPDIF or whatever.

I think that the poster who said you would have to settle for stereo audio is incorrect.

Pat
 
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