DVD +R Question

[korgoth]

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

this is the ratings for different media.

 

[brian32672]

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

this is the ratings for different media.

I see on that list exactly what I was talking about on the Fake TY's
However the list left out Fake MCC's Which are horrible as well.
Real MCC (Mitsubishi Chemical Company) I feel are better than TY's.
However both are comparible in price, and are expensive for True discs.

 

[GaryZ06]

A little update.....Today I bought the Maxell DVD-R which are rated 1st class media and it keeps freezing up.Do you think my Sony DVD player is to sensitive? Remember when I play it back on my computer it is perfect.

 

[brian32672]

What speed are you burning at? Did you do a disc check to count the errors?

 

[brian32672]

Also what is the model # of the Sony DVD player?

 

[GaryZ06]

Also what is the model # of the Sony DVD player?

Sony DVP NS 725P
My laptop burns 8X .....I don't know how to check for errors...Remember it plays perfect on my laptop and the other DVD players.

 

[brian32672]

Sony DVP NS 725P
My laptop burns 8X .....I don't know how to check for errors...Remember it plays perfect on my laptop and the other DVD players.

Yes but remember, if your Sony is sensitive it will pick up on the errors if there are to many of them. The burner is less sensitve basically its where the laser is, not all are at same height, and some pickup correctable errors easier)

What program are you using, Nero has a error checking program. Also Pextools Pro. It will take about 8-10 minutes to do a full check.

I have included a pick of a recent Ritek RiData G05 (my G04's are usually even better) burn with the plextools, I stopped it early because I did not see any spikes. So it was a good burn. Maximum limit for errors is 280. The blue line represents errors. There is minimal on this disc (for all puposes its a perfect burn)

The second photo of Nero speed, I stole off the web (it is not one of my burns) Its just to show you what the program looks like.

Click on the images below to get a full size image.

I will check on that Sony in just a minute....

 

[brian32672]

Wow, the Sony is a cheaper (budget) model but it does support DVD-R & +R
So at this point, it must be the media you are using. Try to slow your burns to 4X.

Here is the page on your dvd player....
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDnameid=2645&Search=Search&#comments

 

[GaryZ06]

I am using 1 Click DVD with DVD for Free(decryptor)

 

[brian32672]

Not sure on the 1 Click, I have not used it yet. (key word Not & yet)
I would recommend using these 3 programs in combination, if a dvd does not need to be shrunk, then you can skip that program. Make sure to try a 4X burn. Before using to many of those Maxells, if you only use 1-5 of a 50 pack-Sometimes the store will exchange or give you back your money-If you say that they are not working-Usually there is some type of gaurantee. The Riteks gaurantee for 75 days.


DVD Decrypter
DVD Shrink
Nero Ultra (make sure it has recode)

 

[brian32672]

Actually, you being in Pembroke Pines Florida, you are very close to me. I live in Sunrise Florida. If you want, you can call me. For the # just PM me.

 

[brian32672]

Gary,
Below is a picture of the disc that you picked out, and I will be sending to you. It shows that the error limit is a tad larger than I normally get but still is very minimal and you would not find any better. It was burnt at 4X. And should play in all of your dvd players.

The second picture is to show what a bad burn looks like. Well kinda bad. It shows that the blue line is all correctable errors, but are quite large blocks and a sensitive player as your Sony would more than likely not play this disc. However, it will play fine in most. And does play fine in my dvd players. It was a burn about 2 years ago, and was done on a Plextor 712 I beleive. With the first firmware for that model. Plextor as I told you, will consistently update their firmware to support more media and with better burns. Eventually that burner with the latest firmware, ended up being a superb burner.

What the second picture does not have and would be really considered a bad burn is POE (Parity Outer Errors) they would be in red. These are uncorrectable errors, and would lock-up in any player. As you see there are none of those. I have only had a few burns with these errors. And only with cheap media. I do not keep them for comparison, they have all been chucked in the garbage.

It was really nice to talk to another A/V holic. And maybe someday, I could come over and listen to that Velodyne sub. And vice/versa you could come audition my Acoustechs and a 120" screen.

Once the disc you send me gets here, I will check it immediately and get back with you on the results. And let you know, if you need another burner or a dvd player. You really lucked out by getting the Taiyo Yudens for that price. Like I said, you never really know what you are going to get, without putting it up on the dvd identifier.

As well, if you need some more computer advice, don't hesitate to call.

I will try to send this disc out later this afternoon.

 

[kiran_sham]

I am not sure how reliable this information is. But one of the gentleman at Frys electronics told this to me when I was buying a DVD recorder. He said that most DVD players are designed to play DVD-R and DVD-RW only. That is why DVD+R and DVD+RW is usually cheaper than their minus counterparts. But as I said before, I am not really sure how reliable this information is

 

[brian32672]

I am not sure how reliable this information is. But one of the gentleman at Frys electronics told this to me when I was buying a DVD recorder. He said that most DVD players are designed to play DVD-R and DVD-RW only. That is why DVD+R and DVD+RW is usually cheaper than their minus counterparts. But as I said before, I am not really sure how reliable this information is

This is unreliable information. Specially that DVD+R is cheaper. I can get -R cheaper of the same brand.

DVD players are not designed to play only DVD-R.
However, DVD-R is more compatable with more dvd players about 95% of the players in the last 5-6 years. To where DVD+R is compatable with about 80%

 

[GaryZ06]

Gary,
Below is a picture of the disc that you picked out, and I will be sending to you. It shows that the error limit is a tad larger than I normally get but still is very minimal and you would not find any better. It was burnt at 4X. And should play in all of your dvd players.

The second picture is to show what a bad burn looks like. Well kinda bad. It shows that the blue line is all correctable errors, but are quite large blocks and a sensitive player as your Sony would more than likely not play this disc. However, it will play fine in most. And does play fine in my dvd players. It was a burn about 2 years ago, and was done on a Plextor 712 I beleive. With the first firmware for that model. Plextor as I told you, will consistently update their firmware to support more media and with better burns. Eventually that burner with the latest firmware, ended up being a superb burner.

What the second picture does not have and would be really considered a bad burn is POE (Parity Outer Errors) they would be in red. These are uncorrectable errors, and would lock-up in any player. As you see there are none of those. I have only had a few burns with these errors. And only with cheap media. I do not keep them for comparison, they have all been chucked in the garbage.

It was really nice to talk to another A/V holic. And maybe someday, I could come over and listen to that Velodyne sub. And vice/versa you could come audition my Acoustechs and a 120" screen.

Once the disc you send me gets here, I will check it immediately and get back with you on the results. And let you know, if you need another burner or a dvd player. You really lucked out by getting the Taiyo Yudens for that price. Like I said, you never really know what you are going to get, without putting it up on the dvd identifier.

As well, if you need some more computer advice, don't hesitate to call.

I will try to send this disc out later this afternoon.

Yes Brian it was great talking to you yesterday....I can tell you one thing you know a lot more than me....You are a wealth of information.I will be sending out the two disc's tomorrow morning so we can find out the culprit.Again thanks so much for helping me and teaching some new things.

 

[korgoth]

dvd-r's and +r's will play in most dvd players, like they said -rs are more compatible, and a little cheaper, but they dont play in all dvd players without skipping

i also use mcc dvd-r media, and have a plextor burner, and they usually play fine with no skips at all.

my dvd player actually has not skipped once in about 1000 burns. but toshiba seems to be somewhat problematic. They have skipped in a number of those players.

 

[brian32672]

Ok Gary, here are the tests. and actually I tested the Taiyo Yuden twice with the same results. The Plextor Professional Error checking program is quite trustworthy.

The First pic is the Ritek That I sent you (same pic as above post) Burnt at 4X.

The second picture is your burn of the Maxell (G05) And even though there is 5 times the errors than on my burn, it is still acceptable. And should play in all your players. Here is the exact media code for that one.
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:RITEKG05]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Ritek Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [RITEKG05]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4,489.3MB = 4.38GB (4.71GB)]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------
** INFO : Data Below Is Formatted For www.VideoHelp.com/DVDmedia
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Present But Has Been Cleared To Zero
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
----------------------------------------------------------------
Complete DVD Media Code =
00 00 00 00 01 40 80 12 23 00 52 00 02 b6 0e 11 .....@..#.R.....
98 9a 80 00 03 52 49 54 45 4b 47 00 04 30 35 00 .....RITEKG..05.
00 00 00 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 08 12 11 ................
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DVD Media Type=DVD-R
DVD Media Code=RITEKG05....

The third picture is of your true Taiyo Yuden Disc. Remember I checked this twice, with same results. There are POE errors, which are uncorrectable. And may have problems even in your parents player. Remember when I spoke with you I checked how far the spikes actually went, and they were above 1,000. But to be fair to all the media tried, I set error limit exactly what standards calls for which is 280. Actually I can not set the black line at 280 (the program has this set) I just showed them all at 300. Here is the exact media code for that disc.
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD-ROM]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [YUDEN000]
Media Type ID : [T02]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6MB = 4.38GB (4.70GB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------
** INFO : Data Below Is Formatted For www.VideoHelp.com/DVDmedia
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Present But Has Been Cleared To Zero
** INFO : Format 11h - ADIP Information
----------------------------------------------------------------
Complete DVD Media Code =
00 00 00 00 a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f .............&.?
00 00 00 00 00 00 03 59 55 44 45 4e 30 30 30 54 .......YUDEN000T
30 32 00 38 23 54 37 10 02 4e 72 02 8c 63 16 16 02.8#T7..Nr..c..
0b 0b 0a 0a 01 19 1b 0c 0c 0c 0d 01 00 00 00 00 ................
----------------------------------------------------------------
DVD Media Type=DVD+R
DVD Media Code=YUDEN000T02




So clearly you are not getting the best burns, but you are getting better burns with your Ritek media, So I suggest getting true Ritek RiData Branded G05. And since they all play in your parents, then I guess there is something wrong with the Sony, and its time to invest in another DVD player. Hope this has all helped.

 

[brian32672]

BTW enjoy Assault on Precinct 13, it should even play in your Sony....