dvd playing on bluray player question...

[jostenmeat]

thanks,i really had tried everything i could to get it to work before i asked the question,i was really just trying to figure out why it wouldnt work,the manual that came with the tv was on a disc and i couldnt load it to my computer,i had seen and been through most of the options on the tv,just didnt know what some of them meant,thx to you i know what one of them is now,sry if i was misleading you into thinkin i was relying on you for info,now im glad you did,and thx for the info you gave...

im thinking since the lg player and tv link up when you watch something on it ,that since its a blu player it wont play anything at 24 but blu rays,thats just what im thinking,and i asked my buddy to play a dvd on his blu player and he couldnt get it to run at 24hz either....but thanks for your time and info...

Sure thing. If you want to output DVDs at 24p, and you're certain that yours cannot, you ought to look at certain Panasonic players (they've been able to do this for years now); they're what I recommend 9/10 times anyway, regardless of that feature.

HOWEVER- it appears that you need to set the 24p function on the Pana, EVERY TIME (as I somewhat referred to in on of my other post in this thread, going by iffy memory).

If I understand things correctly, the reason being is that there isn't a "metadata standard", and I don't think the player will know when it's the proper time to "extract 24p" or not! If it always tried to "extract 24p", it will still try to do so, even for stuff that was never encoded that way to begin with! The result? A horrible pic!

The other option, maybe easier and maybe not, but probably way more expensive, is using a BDP that has a "source direct" option, where DVD is always sent as 480i (no extraction), BDs as whatever it's (truly) encoded with, and using a video processor to handle, well, your video processing ($$$$).

If you really care about this, I'd just get the Pana player.

But really- I'd personally get a different TV firstly, in all likelihood.

If you got the $$$, anything can be solved.

I wouldn't worry about it, if I were you.

I should give out a begrudged thanks to mtrycrafts for forcing me to learn more about this subject.

 

[roleydre]

Well,im pretty short on cash,but i will keep that in mind about panasonic...

if i put tv in thx cinema mode on tv,it makes dvds look pretty good,and the tv i got was from my parents so i didnt pay for it,and a 47" led is better than the 40"toshiba regza i had(video wise),this lg doesnt play nice with my receiver and other components,but ill live,

Thx again for your info and insight you gave torwards my situation...

ROLL TIDE ROLL my friends!!

 

[mtrycrafts]

-crafts, I've never even seen an Oppo BDP in person, so I'm not one who is familiar, I didn't grab the manual either, but if the Oppo 93 could playback 24p DVDs as 24p, I must imagine the 103 should be able to as well. At least by some FW iteration, eventually.

https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-93/bdp9x-firmware-71-0723B.aspx

Well, I called Oppo tech and what this does is convert the 480i/30 frame that is 'on the DVD', even for movies, to a 24 frame output using that 3:2 pulldown, not that 24 frames is on the DVD and will be passed.
The 103 manual states something similar that what is the raw data on a DVD is 480i/30 frames that the player or the display can process to progressive and 24 frames.

 

[jostenmeat]

Well, I called Oppo tech and what this does is convert the 480i/30 frame that is 'on the DVD', even for movies, to a 24 frame output using that 3:2 pulldown, not that 24 frames is on the DVD and will be passed.
The 103 manual states something similar that what is the raw data on a DVD is 480i/30 frames that the player or the display can process to progressive and 24 frames.

Semantics?

You are correct about the the DVD being 480i.

However, some DVDs are using natively 24p material, that is encoded, or telecined, into this 60i (30fps, whatever).

The very original stuff, yes the original 24p information, can be taken right back out by using *reverse* telecine, or more commonly referred to as inverse telecine. BOOM! The 24p is right there sitting in that 480i info.

So it's not clear to me yet that you already understand (and maybe you do) that you don't want to use inverse-telecine on something that was never telecined to begin with. Make sense?

That's why with two different DVDs that are both 480i, one may look smoother with motion and panning when applying a "24p function", and the other will like dog poop. The reason for that is because one was encoded with 24p, and the other was not.

 

[j_garcia]

At the end of the day, it is still SD DVD, so I think you may be chasing something that isn't going to make a truly dramatic difference. I know, I said that I found info that indicated it would be an improvement, but we are talking about SD here. Even upsacled on the best players, the best looking DVDs will only approach decent Blu-ray movies.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Semantics?

You are correct about the the DVD being 480i.

However, some DVDs are using natively 24p material, that is encoded, or telecined, into this 60i (30fps, whatever).

The very original stuff, yes the original 24p information, can be taken right back out by using *reverse* telecine, or more commonly referred to as inverse telecine. BOOM! The 24p is right there sitting in that 480i info.

So it's not clear to me yet that you already understand (and maybe you do) that you don't want to use inverse-telecine on something that was never telecined to begin with. Make sense?

That's why with two different DVDs that are both 480i, one may look smoother with motion and panning when applying a "24p function", and the other will like dog poop. The reason for that is because one was encoded with 24p, and the other was not.

Not sure it is "semantics" what is on the DVD. Sure, film is 24 frames but DVD standards were here well before we had digital TV or the capability of a TV to process 24 frames to a TV's native 30 frame design. So, the DVD standard has 480i/30 frames with no processing required on the TV's part.

Today is a different story but the DVD standard has not changed; everything else has.

 

[jostenmeat]

Not sure it is "semantics" what is on the DVD. Sure, film is 24 frames but DVD standards were here well before we had digital TV or the capability of a TV to process 24 frames to a TV's native 30 frame design. So, the DVD standard has 480i/30 frames with no processing required on the TV's part.

Today is a different story but the DVD standard has not changed; everything else has.

Whatever. You're missing my point, or are simply hanging on to your little contention for its own sake, missing the forest for the trees, and have done little to nothing for the OP in this thread toward helping him achieve what he wants.

I'm finished conversing with you here.

Not sure it is semantics that 24p was encoded into almost all of the film based DVDs there are.