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Hostility

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i know i have seen it on here, and cant remeber where. but im getting the slurred S sound. as it seems like the s's are draged out. can anyone give me the link on how to fix this, or help me out, thanks.
 
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dronezero

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I assume you are talking about sibalance. The only way to fix it that I know of is to either get different speakers or a better recording.
 
Hostility

Hostility

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hmm alright, well i will try another movie today, and see if i hear the same thing again.
 
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It's spelled 'sibilance', but is often spelled other ways, so if you check into it, you'll have both spellings.

Are you using titanium tweeters? It's fairly common with those and could be an issue with being crossed over a bit too low.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

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The room can also greatly exaggerate sibilance. Sibilance is in the 2Khz range and if your speakers have a bump in frequency response around that area and your room has a lot of hard reflective surfaces (glass, sheetrock, wood floors, etc.) then it will boost that frequency even more. Of course a reflective room affects a lot of aspects of the sound be sibilance is often the most obvious and fatiguing.

What kind of speakers do you have? It does not necessarily have anything to do with the material used to make the tweeter. It really has to do with the crossover and the resonance of the cabinet and tweeter itself. If a tweeter is crossed over too low it usually causes resonance in the 2Khz range. I had a Polk center speaker in my system at one time that had a soft dome tweeter. It had the worst sibilance problem I have ever heard. I couldn't take it. I even stuffed Kleenex between the grill and the tweeter in an effort to tame it. When I built the speakers I have now my original crossover design left a lot to be desired. I still had a bit of sibilance and it bugged me. A redesign of the crossovers including notch filters and raising the crossover frequency really made the speakers sing. Sibilance gone.
 
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Seth=L

Seth=L

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Tweeter cone material has almost nothing to do with it's sound character, this is mostly caused by room accoustics and a speaker's cross-over.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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i know i have seen it on here, and cant remeber where. but im getting the slurred S sound. as it seems like the s's are draged out. can anyone give me the link on how to fix this, or help me out, thanks.
It is usually a speaker problem. Poor microphones cause it also. If it occurs on everything you listen to, then you will have to change your speakers. This is quite a common speaker flaw, in my experience.
 
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fredk

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hmm alright, well i will try another movie today, and see if i hear the same thing again.
Hmm, in 5.1 vocals/voice is mostly directed to the center channel is it not? Try other movies and also try some female vocals both in two channel and 5.1 to see if there is any difference. Maybe a center channel upgrade will help.
 
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brendy

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It is usually a speaker problem. Poor microphones cause it also. If it occurs on everything you listen to, then you will have to change your speakers. This is quite a common speaker flaw, in my experience.
I also have noticed it with every speaker I have owned except one. They were the old school Polk Monitor series with the silver voice coil tweeter.Sometimes new is not better.
 
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highfigh

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Tweeter cone material has almost nothing to do with it's sound character, this is mostly caused by room accoustics and a speaker's cross-over.
You mean a hard plastic dome sounds the same as a metal or textile dome? Not a chance.

The first metal dome tweeters were nasty. I thought the JBL tweeters were particularly bad and while it could have been because I prefer textile domes, whenever I have listened to them, they still sound harsh to me. MB Quart was the first Titanium dome I could listen to without being irritated and those came in the mid-'90s.
 
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R-Carpenter

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It could be the crossover design, the tweeter or the room. It may make sense to redesign the crossover but you'd need to invest considerable amount of time and a few $. If it's inexpensive speaker to begin with, it wouldn't make sense.
I can't stand B&W alloy tweeters. Yuck! Silky rules!
 
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I also have noticed it with every speaker I have owned except one. They were the old school Polk Monitor series with the silver voice coil tweeter.Sometimes new is not better.
The 1980's vintage polks rock especially the ones with the silver voice coil tweeter (SL2000).

If the tweeter is crossed over too low, you can put a ~ 1.0 uf 250 v radial mylar cap inline to the positive tweeter wire terminal like I've done to all my polk tweeters (SL2000) which are crossed over too low thus causing them to be a little harsh and bright. This removes the harshness and brightness leaving the incredible clarity and detail that the vintage polks are famous for.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31246

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/attachment.php?&attachmentid=30823
 
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Hostility

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i have the polk rti10's, but havent been able to test other movies yet as i have to take 1 back today, only had 2 days, and when i bought one it was damaged, and now ive found one of the woofers are blown. but we have carpet floor, but lots of wood surfaces in the room.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

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You mean a hard plastic dome sounds the same as a metal or textile dome? Not a chance.

The first metal dome tweeters were nasty. I thought the JBL tweeters were particularly bad and while it could have been because I prefer textile domes, whenever I have listened to them, they still sound harsh to me. MB Quart was the first Titanium dome I could listen to without being irritated and those came in the mid-'90s.
You took what I posted a little out of context. I didn't indicate garbage tweeters in Jensen speakers would compare in any way to a good metal, ceramic, or textile tweeter. I am also not saying all tweeters sound the same. However, the x-over and room accoustics will end up being the controlling factor in how a tweeter will sound. If the tweeter itself is linear then the x-over can be formed to produce whatever sound the manufacturer may desire.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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You took what I posted a little out of context. I didn't indicate garbage tweeters in Jensen speakers would compare in any way to a good metal, ceramic, or textile tweeter. I am also not saying all tweeters sound the same. However, the x-over and room accoustics will end up being the controlling factor in how a tweeter will sound. If the tweeter itself is linear then the x-over can be formed to produce whatever sound the manufacturer may desire.
I agree with Seth. You can make good tweeters with soft or metal domes. The issue with metal domes, is that with rigid structures, the first break up mode is rigid and violent, and causes a big peak. It is hard to get the first break up mode to 20 KHz. The acute of hearing can hear this sometimes. That is why B & W use diamond to push the first break up mode to 45 Hz.

This sibilance issue is usually related to a nasty break up mode in mid/woofer, ot mid range unit, out of the pass band not addressed properly by the designer. Sometimes the crossover to the tweeter is handled incorrectly resulting in a sum to peak at crossover. Either way, I regard sibilance as one of the cardinal sins of speaker design.
 
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You took what I posted a little out of context. I didn't indicate garbage tweeters in Jensen speakers would compare in any way to a good metal, ceramic, or textile tweeter. I am also not saying all tweeters sound the same. However, the x-over and room accoustics will end up being the controlling factor in how a tweeter will sound. If the tweeter itself is linear then the x-over can be formed to produce whatever sound the manufacturer may desire.
"Are you using titanium tweeters? It's fairly common with those and could be an issue with being crossed over a bit too low." was in my first post, so we agree on the crossover being a possible cause. I mentioned the Ti tweeters because I have heard this from them in several cases. I'm not sure where the reference to the Jensen tweets came from, but I have heard some of most types sound bad. I may have been assuming that the room had passable acoustics, which I admit, may be a stretch since it's the most neglected aspect of almost all of the "music or HT" rooms I have been in. This being the case, a room that is too refelctive is a likely candidate, so we agree on this, too. Any equalization, if used, can be a factor, too.

Sibilance from a speaker system is inexcusable when the room and EQ aren't factors, IMO.

Our differences in stating our opinions of the cause aside, it's easy enough to find out if the acoustics is the problem. Turn the speakers so they aren't firing directly at a hard surface, reduce the volume and move closer to the speakers. If the sibilance is gone, the room is too reflective and if it stays, it's probably a crossover, source material or possibly an EQ issue.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
You took what I posted a little out of context. I didn't indicate garbage tweeters in Jensen speakers would compare in any way to a good metal, ceramic, or textile tweeter. I am also not saying all tweeters sound the same. However, the x-over and room accoustics will end up being the controlling factor in how a tweeter will sound. If the tweeter itself is linear then the x-over can be formed to produce whatever sound the manufacturer may desire.
"Tweeter cone material has almost nothing to do with it's sound character" makes me wonder why so many variations in tweeter design exist. Not sure how I took it out of context or where the Jensen reference comes from but I think we would all benefit from asking more questions before stating our theories. The OP didn't really give us much to work with and we all went on our merry ways. :D
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
It is usually a speaker problem. Poor microphones cause it also. If it occurs on everything you listen to, then you will have to change your speakers. This is quite a common speaker flaw, in my experience.
You're right and poor mic technique is a big problem, too. It's not always genre-dependent, either.
 
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