Donald Rumsfeld dead at 88

[Replicant 7]

At the end of the game, the king and the pawn go in the same box.

Lol...you guys have a great sense of humor!! Lmao!! Yep than the next King and pawns take out the bones of the last King and pawns and play with the bones like pick-up sticks.. I was sitting at a local bar talking with this dude said he used to be a biker of the bandidos.True story that he was telling me. Now whether or not it's actually true no I can't prove it. He went on saying how his gang of bikers would take out pedophiles rapists and so on kill them torture them before they die. Then cook the body and or body's after what's left they would break down the bones put them in 4" PVC pipe with end caps store those PVC pipes in local storage buildings take them out for their meetings or whatever take the bones out and play with them. This chump actually told me this sitting at a bar about a month and a half ago. Do I believe him, wouldn't put anything passed what evil f..ks will do to justify their self-righteousness for whatever reason they choose and or whoever paid them to do something like that. Drug cartels do s*** like that all the time. Reason I posted that is because people here in the United States really have no clue what really goes on in this country and we got the nerve to talk about third world countries and what they do. Thing about that law enforcement knows about what's going on they won't do anything about it cuz they're afraid to or they paid not to.

 

[ryanosaur]

At the end of the game, the king and the pawn go in the same box.

So Rumsfeld and D1ck Cheney are going to be interred together?

 

[mtrycrafts]

Saddam went after Kuwait for the resources. If he would have succeeded he would have went after Saudi Arabia next for the resources. Yes Saddam was a dictator..

And was put back in his place in Iraq.

 

[mtrycrafts]

.... Let's not forget Afghanistan that 20 plus year war with American soldiers lives lost basically fighting a country controlled by drug lords that's been controlled for thousands of years....

Let's not forget the 10 years Russia/USSR was there, next door neighbor, a powerhouse.

 

[lovinthehd]

Lol...you guys have a great sense of humor!! Lmao!! Yep than the next King and pawns take out the bones of the last King and pawns and play with the bones like pick-up sticks.. I was sitting at a local bar talking with this dude said he used to be a biker of the bandidos.True story that he was telling me. Now whether or not it's actually true no I can't prove it. He went on saying how his gang of bikers would take out pedophiles rapists and so on kill them torture them before they die. Then cook the body and or body's after what's left they would break down the bones put them in 4" PVC pipe with end caps store those PVC pipes in local storage buildings take them out for their meetings or whatever take the bones out and play with them. This chump actually told me this sitting at a bar about a month and a half ago. Do I believe him, wouldn't put anything passed what evil f..ks will do to justify their self-righteousness for whatever reason they choose and or whoever paid them to do something like that. Drug cartels do s*** like that all the time. Reason I posted that is because people here in the United States really have no clue what really goes on in this country and we got the nerve to talk about third world countries and what they do. Thing about that law enforcement knows about what's going on they won't do anything about it cuz they're afraid to or they paid not to.

It is nice when you start wars and keep them beyond one's own borders? Makes idiots like the bandidos gang seem rational? How the hell would idiots like the banditos know about pedophilia outside their own ranks (where It's probably on the high side)? Then again you live in a drumph described poop hole....

 

[mtrycrafts]

So Rumsfeld and D1ck Cheney are going to be interred together?

More or less.

 

[Replicant 7]

It is nice when you start wars and keep them beyond one's own borders? Makes idiots like the bandidos gang seem rational? How the hell would idiots like the banditos know about pedophilia outside their own ranks (where It's probably on the high side)? Then again you live in a drumph described poop hole....

Good points Chris, a few years ago sitting in another bar. In walk a bunch of bandido bikers from different parishes wearing their colors, patches on the back represented each parish they were from. No matter what one has heard of the what and what not's they are into, there are not into just social gatherings for the fun of it. They not your friendly local association club. It is known as with any gang, biker gang there business if you can call it that is running drugs, prostitution, illegal firearms. Murder for hire should not be so surprising with s***heads like that.

 

[Replicant 7]

It is nice when you start wars and keep them beyond one's own borders? Makes idiots like the bandidos gang seem rational? How the hell would idiots like the banditos know about pedophilia outside their own ranks (where It's probably on the high side)? Then again you live in a drumph described poop hole....

(Then again you live in a drumph described poop hole). . Isn't this country as a whole, one big poop hole as of right now? I was born on the backside of the 50's having had one brother serv in the Vietnam War two uncles one Korean War the other World War II. I was fortunate enough not to get drafted into the Vietnam War because it ended in the mid-70s. Just from that point moving forward I personally haven't seen much if anything change from any administration of improvement. Look at the inner structure of this country it's crumbling right before our eyes. Country is fractured and has been for decades. Blaming anyone administration only takes to heat off the others that drop that bouncing ball to the other saying here you fix it we got our money. Starting wars and keeping it within others boundaries isn't that business as usual since the fifties? Nothing is rational when it comes to gang's motives, vigilantes in my book.

 

[Swerd]

He seems relatively benign today, in light of the absolute corruption of the Trump administration, but Rumsfeld was arrogant as well as cavalier about the idea of human rights. It was very costly to the US in nearly every way, human cost, money, and international standing. He was a 'neocon' so at least he believed in something as opposed to Trump and his circle which are very nearly nihilistic. The 'neocon' objective was ultimately to spread democracy to the middle east. In my eyes that isn't such a bad thing but the way they attempted it was arrogant and consequently disastrous. Errol Morris made an interesting documentary (as he always does) about Rumsfeld called 'The Uknown Known' which is streaming on Netflix.

I agree in general. But if the neocons' idea was really about 'spreading democracy' in the Middle East they did a terrible job of it.

Rumsfeld was directly responsible for poor planning & execution of the whole Iraq campaign. He ignored the pre-existing Army plans of how to govern an occupied Iraq once the Saddam Hussein regime was overthrown. He was silent when others in the W administration began torturing captives – something that directly endangered American soldiers. He ignored the inevitable & predictable insurgency/terrorist groups that appeared after Saddam Hussein was gone. He sent American soldiers into Iraq without armored vehicles capable of withstanding home-made land mines. Remember those improvised explosive devices, IEDs? And finally Rumsfeld, as well as Bush & D!ck, ignored any idea of planning an exit from a stabilized Iraq.

If their real goal was to defend the Saudis and their oil wealth, then it doesn't really matter what disaster happened in Iraq. But here's the kicker. By invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam Hussein, Rumsfeld & all the others in the W admin, created a power vacuum in the Middle East, making it easy for Iran to step in.

I guess I agree with Trell and his take on RIP.

By the way, I never bought into the notion that the invasion of Iraq had anything to do with oil. It was a foolhardy mission of idealism if you ask me.

It was both all about oil and a foolhardy mission. As long as they imagined they were safeguarding the Saudi Arabian regime, they didn't care what happened in Iraq. Only they botched it.

 

[Swerd]

@Replicant 7
Welcome to the Steam Vent !

 

[Replicant 7]

I agree in general. But if the neocons' idea was really about 'spreading democracy' in the Middle East they did a terrible job of it.

Rumsfeld was directly responsible for poor planning & execution of the whole Iraq campaign. He ignored the pre-existing Army plans of how to govern an occupied Iraq once the Saddam Hussein regime was overthrown. He was silent when others in the W administration began torturing captives – something that directly endangered American soldiers. He ignored the inevitable & predictable insurgency/terrorist groups that appeared after Saddam Hussein was gone. He sent American soldiers into Iraq without armored vehicles capable of withstanding home-made land mines. Remember those improvised explosive devices, IEDs? And finally Rumsfeld, as well as Bush & D!ck, ignored any idea of planning an exit from a stabilized Iraq.

If their real goal was to defend the Saudis and their oil wealth, then it doesn't really matter what disaster happened in Iraq. But here's the kicker. By invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam Hussein, Rumsfeld & all the others in the W admin, created a power vacuum in the Middle East, making it easy for Iran to step in.

I guess I agree with Trell and his take on RIP.
It was both all about oil and a foolhardy mission. As long as they imagined they were safeguarding the Saudi Arabian regime, they didn't care what happened in Iraq. Only they botched it.

@Swerd Nice very nice Swerd! That's exactly how I see it! saw it should say, just couldn't put it into words like you did so well.