Does This Exist? (receiver Search)

[fandango]

This is what I want: Does it exist??

• Anchor bay ABT-2010
• THX certification (Select or Ultra)
• Audyssey Volume & EQ (or equivalent volume leveling & low volume optimizing)

 

[jostenmeat]

Check out Denon. 4310 & 4810 for instance.

Not sure if they got the THX certs, but who cares, I bet they perform equally well to those that have the certs, assuming they don't have them in the first place.

 

[j_garcia]

THX cert should not be one of your criteria.

 

[fandango]

How does Onkyo compare to Denon??

The Onkyo 3007 has everything I am looking for, except that it uses HQV Reon-VX instead of the Anchor bay ABT-2010. these two products appear to be the only two on the market at the moment that have full upscaling capability:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/receivers/integra_dtr-99_av_receiver/index4.html

http://www.hometheatermag.com/receivers/denon_avr-4310ci_av_receiver/index5.html

 

[ParadigmDawg]

4810 is THX Ultra2-Certified and has everything else he is looking for.
http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/5118.asp#

Check out Denon. 4310 & 4810 for instance.

Not sure if they got the THX certs, but who cares, I bet they perform equally well to those that have the certs, assuming they don't have them in the first place.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Why are you concerned with upscaling? You have a good display and a BD player.

How does Onkyo compare to Denon??

The Onkyo 3007 has everything I am looking for, except that it uses HQV Reon-VX instead of the Anchor bay ABT-2010. these two products appear to be the only two on the market at the moment that have full upscaling capability:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/receivers/integra_dtr-99_av_receiver/index4.html

http://www.hometheatermag.com/receivers/denon_avr-4310ci_av_receiver/index5.html

 

[fandango]

I used to have an old pioneer receiver with thx and I liked using those surround modes for cinema watching. Not essential, but if there was competing product to the denon 890 but with THX, I would probably get it. Apparently nothing exists in that same price range...

I think I'm gonna go with the Denon 890 or 990. Deciding if I need the network capability or not...

I can get the 890 for $600 or I can get the 990 for $900.

Is the 990 worth the extra $300???

 

[fandango]

Yes, see my signature for the display and BD player I have.

Wanted the upscaling for my dvr box and my wii game system.

 

[fandango]

P.S. the Denon 4810 is not THX cert, you have to shell out over double that price for the 5308 to get THX at Denon. That is why the Onky 3700 for 2200 retail / $1300 discount suddenly starts looking very attractive...

 

[ParadigmDawg]

The "common" rule is to pick out an AVR that will power your speakers and has the features you want/need. All the AVRs from the top 3 companies are good. I could care less about THX but I do care about Audessy and a good GUI, so I like Denon.

 

[Seth=L]

HQV Reon-VX is a good scaling engine. However, the scaling is only necessary if you have many analog sourced such as VHS, laser disc, or older video game systems that require it. The Blu-ray player you have should be excellent for upscaling DVDs and will probably do a better job than those receivers can do, so what's the point?

I think you should stick with the SR 4003

I see my post came late. Your display will upscale this sources as good as or better than those receivers, there is still no reason to buy a much more expensive receiver than what's been recommended, especially since you have stressed on countless times your budget is stretched since you bought the CM7s. If you won the lottery since then, that's great, get what you want. But you went from a $300 budget up to over $1000 for a receiver.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Yes it is.

GENERAL
Availability October 2009
Finish Black
Power Output; Watts Per Channel 140
All Channels Rated @ 0.05 THD
All Channels Rated @ 0.08 THD
Weight: In Pounds 42.2
Width (inches) 17.1
Height (inches) 7.7
Depth (inches) 16.7

SOUND MODES
THX Ultra2-Certified
Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit – D.D.S.C - D
Processor(s) – Bit Depth and Type 21367 x 3 32-bit Floating Point
Dolby Pro Logic IIx – with Cinema, Music, Game Modes Dolby PLIIz
THX Post-Processing – DPL (4.0), DPL2 Cinema, DD/DTS (5.1), ES Discrete (6.1), ES Matrix, Neo:6 Cinema
THX Ultra2 7.1 Cinema, Music and Game Modes
THX Surround EX Decoding
Dolby Digital Plus
Dolby Digital Surround EX Decoding
Dolby Digital Pro Logic II Dolby PLIIz
dts ES Discrete 6.1 Decoding
dts ES Matrix 6.1 Decoding
dts Neo:6 Stereo-to-Surround Cinema and Music Modes
dts 96/24 5.1 for DVD-Video Processing
Dolby Headphone
HDCD Decoder
Audio Signal Delay (Sync. Audio with Video signal) – By source
Pure Direct/Direct/Stereo Modes on Digital/Analog inputs
Stereo/Direct Modes w/Pure Analog Path
5-Channel Stereo Mode
5-Channel Equal Power
Video Game Mode
Wide Screen 7.1 Mode
Mono Movie Surround Mode
Rock Arena Surround Mode
Matrix Surround Mode
Jazz Club Surround Mode
Virtual Surround Mode – For 2 Speakers/Headphones
Multi-Channel Stereo Mode 5/6/7
DSP Effect Modes 10
Auto Surround Mode (Analog or Digital Input Type)
Active Center Channel In All Surround Modes
Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit - Digital HD
Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital+
dts-HD Master Audio
MP3 Decoding
WMA Decoding
HD Radio
XMHD
Neural Surround Mode XMHD

CONNECTIVITY
True 24-bit/96-kHz Digital Input Capability
True 24-bit/192-kHz Digital Input Capability (Denon Link & 1394) DL4th & HDMI
Assignable Digital Inputs 6
Digital Input – DENON Link 3rd (SACD Ready) Denon Link 4th w/Flow Control
IEEE-1394 Digital Audio Input/Output
Digital Inputs: Coaxial 3
Digital Inputs: Optical 3 (Incl. Front)
Digital Outputs: Optical 2
Digital to Analog REC Out
Analog Audio Inputs, Incl. Tuner 10 Incl. Sirius Radio
Phono Input MM type
Source Function Renaming
Analog Record Outputs 2
Front Panel A/V Inputs w/Cover * Composite and S-Video
Video Conversion –Composite to S-Video to Component
Video Conversion – Composite to S-Video to Composite
Video Conversion – Analog to HDMI
DVI/HDMI Video Inputs – Compatible with 1.1 Spec. – Multi-Channel Audio
HDMI Video Outputs *1080p
Composite Video Inputs 7
Composite Video Outputs 4
S-Video Inputs 7
S-Video Outputs 3
Component Video Inputs x Bandwidth - *Assignable *3 x 100 MHz
Component Video Outputs 2 - 1 Main Zone, 1 Second Zone
6-Ch. External Analog Input
8-Ch. External Analog Input
Banana Plug Speaker Terminals, All Channels
Cinema EQ
Front A/B Speaker Selector
56 Station Auto-Preset Memory Tuning
Radio Data System (RDS)
XM Satellite Radio 'Connect and Play' Ready – with optional antenna
Sirius Ready
Rhapsody
Direct Function (Tone Bypass)
Volume Control Un-muting
Selectable Muting Levels (Full/-40/-20)
Video Select Control
RS-232 Port – Third Party Remote Controllers
RJ-45 Ethernet Port – Same Functionality as AVR-5805/4806 Network A/V Streaming; DLNA Certified; Remote Maintenance; 3rd Party Controllers; Internet Radio
PC Setup and Control Capability via Ethernet/Web Browser
IR Serial Remote In/Out terminals
+12v Trigger Output - Assignable 2 x 150 mA
Multi-Source/Multi-Zone (*Uses REC OUT) 4 Source/4 Zone Audio (Z4 Digital); 2 Source/2 Zone Video
Pre-amp Outputs for Multi-Zone
High Pass Filter for Multi-Zone Outputs
Multi-Zone Pre-Amp Outputs – Selectable Output Levels
Discrete Multi-Zone Composite Video Output - *S-Video also
Discrete Remote Power On/Off, Source Selection and Volume for Main and Second/Third* Zones
Discrete Remote Source Selection for Zone 3
Assignable Amplifier Configuration of Surround Back Channels
Speaker Time-Delay and Level Controls: L/R, Sub, C, Surr. L/R, Surround Back
Pre-Amp Outputs 12
Internet Radio
iPod Port (Using optional AKP-100 cable)
iPod Dock Control Port (Using optional ASD-1R Denon iDock) ASD-1R/11R/3N/3W
USB Flash Drive Port Flash/HDD/iPod

Pre Labled Assignable Digital Inputs
BNC Digital Inputs - Audio & Video
Digital to Analog Conversion Multi Zone Outputs
XLR Analog Input
XLR Analog Output
Input Delete Function
Front Panel AV Inputs Inside Panel Composite & S-Video * with Optical in
S-Video Down Conversion 2nd Zone
Video Conversion Analog to HDMI Scaling 480p 720p 1080i 1080p
Faroudja DCDi Video Processing and Scaling FLI2310
Silicon Optix Realta HQV Processing and Scaling
HDMI Video Output v1.1 Spec 1080p
HDMI 1.3a Inputs 1 Front/5 Back with 7.1 Uncompressed 24/96 Audio
HDMI 1.3a Outputs 2
HDMI Audio/Video Repeater Function
HDMI Video Switching Function
HDMI Deep Color Support-36Bit
HDMI xvYCC Color Space Support
HDMI SACD Support
Component Video Output 2nd Zone
10-Ch External Analog Input
Enhanced Power Amp Assignment
Builtin WiFi Connectivity WiFi B/G certified
Network Enabled
USB Port with HDD Support
HQV
COMPONENT TECHNOLOGY
Equal Power Amplifiers Y/9 ch
Low Impedance Drive Capability
High-Current/Discrete Amplifiers
Independent Power Supplies
Pure Audio Construction
Toroidal Power Transformer
Dolby Digital, dts and DSP Modes – Analog Devices, HammerHead SHARC
Dolby Digital, dts and DSP Modes – Texas Instruments Aureus
AL24 Processing - All Channels
24-bit/192-kHz DACs – Burr-Brown PCM-1791 PCM-1791A - 12 channels
24-bit/192-kHz DACs - Analog Devices
Analog-to-Digital Conversion - Bit Depth/Sampling Rate 24-bit/96-kHz Burr-Brown PCM-1804
Variable High/Low Pass Crossover Points (12/24dB) 40/60/80/100/120/150/200/250
Built In Time Based Correction
Advanced AL24 Processing Multi Channel
Automatic Lip Sync
HD Radio Tuner Built-in

CONVENIENCE FEATURES
Front Panel A/B Speaker Selector
Auto Setup Calibration
Auto/Manual Room Equalization
Audyssey MultEqxt Room Eq. with up to eight position setup
Audyssey MultEQ
Audyssey Dynamic Volume
Auto Setup Microphone Included/Type Y/Mold DM-A409
Dual Surround Mode Spkr. Selector
Icon-Based On-Screen Display Zone 2
Front Panel System Setup Control
Personal Memory Plus
System Setup/Surround Parameters Lockout
Relay-Controlled Protection Circuits
Microprocessor User Re-set Y/p.134
Detachable Power Cord
Subwoofer Peak-Level Limiter (THX)
Pre-programmed (10 Devices) Glow Key Remote Control with Punch Through Commands
Pre-programmed/Learning EL Remote with Backlighting and Punch Through Commands Y/RC-1126 + Multi-zone remote RC-1121
Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Correction with up to eight position setup
Audyssey Mult EQ Room Correction Positions
Audyssey Mult EQ Pro CalibrationCompatible/Installer Ready
GUI Menu Support

P.S. the Denon 4810 is not THX cert, you have to shell out over double that price for the 5308 to get THX at Denon. That is why the Onky 3700 for 2200 retail / $1300 discount suddenly starts looking very attractive...

 

[lsiberian]

The "common" rule is to pick out an AVR that will power your speakers and has the features you want/need. All the AVRs from the top 3 companies are good. I could care less about THX but I do care about Audessy and a good GUI, so I like Denon.

Marantz is from the same company and has great deals from accessories4less

 

[fandango]

Agreed, I'll probably end up getting an refurbished Onkyo in the $500 range.

P.S. Paradigmdawg - not to labor the point, but I think the list you pasted is just a list of POSSIBLE features on ALL Denons. If you look at the comparison chart, the 4810 clearly is not THX certified... (not that I could give a %^&T, but wouldn't want you to be mislead into thinking it is)

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/257.asp?compareitem=3755&compareitem=5118&compareitem=4918&remove=4918

 

[PENG]

Yes it is.

fandango is correct, the 4810 is not THX certified. The 4810 is really just an updated version of the 4308. The older 4806 was certified. Denon typically listed almost everything in the 'detailed specification' section but unless you see a check mark the product does not have the listed feature.

I agree the ABT thing is not that important a criteria these days. In fact I think it is better if they don't even bother with the upscaling feature and put the money in something more practical that the owner can actually benefit from, such as a larger power supply, caps, other higher grade audio components etc. The video processor is redundant and I have seen no evidence they do better in converting/upscaling VHS analog signals than probably most TVs. When I watch VHS I know I won't be getting anything near 480 i/p let alone HD, so why bother? When I watch DVD, HDDVD or BD, I am confident my players can do equal or better than any AVR fitted with ABT or REON.

 

[jostenmeat]

Marantz is from the same company and has great deals from accessories4less

I would say that Marantz has historically had the worst implementation with Audyssey, in the fact that it can't even be applied to bitstream of the advanced codecs. Maybe they finally fixed that with the xx04, but I doubt it.

The only two Marantz with Dyn vol/eq are the 5004 & 6004. Again, make sure to set your players to output PCM if you want to use the techs with Marantz.

Agreed, I'll probably end up getting an refurbished Onkyo in the $500 range.

You really have no business in caring about video processing at this budget in a receiver. I mean, let's get real here, you are looking for the latest and greatest in Audyssey techs, seven THX worthy amp channels, processor, etc, AND A HIGHER END VIDEO PROCESSOR FOR $500? ok.

Just forget VP altogether at the budget. If you still care later, add an outboard VP like this one. If your receiver ever breaks, or you just want to upgrade, you don't have to buy the VP all over again:

http://www.amazon.com/DVDO-EDGE-High-Definition-Video-Processor/dp/B001D4KWXM

Personally, if it was me, and we were to assume that all of us were videophiles, I'd save my pennies to change the TV out to a plasma. I only own a PJ at the moment, but I would never buy any LCD that has been made thus far. That's where your bang for buck will be for video: the display.

 

[fandango]

OK, are there any good receivers that have volume control and low-volume optimization for around $500?? I would definitely use these a lot.


P.S.
Funny enough I used to own a panasonic V series 50" plasma but my condo gets so much light during the day that it rendered the screen almost unwatchable. I ended up returning the plasma and trading it out for the samsung 85000.

Yes the Samsung looks more artificial, but advantage of that is the color looks much brighter and there is absolutely no problem with high ambient light. I am very happy with it.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Opps, I just pulled that off the 4810 page and assumed it was for the 4810...

P.S. Paradigmdawg - not to labor the point, but I think the list you pasted is just a list of POSSIBLE features on ALL Denons. If you look at the comparison chart, the 4810 clearly is not THX certified... (not that I could give a %^&T, but wouldn't want you to be mislead into thinking it is)

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/257.asp?compareitem=3755&compareitem=5118&compareitem=4918&remove=4918