Does anyone on this site feel guilty

[bandphan]

This thread started out fun and now its getting personal. Insulting members (with a couple of exceptions of humor) is aggressive trolling, ie looking for responses for debate. And I appreciate all the members that serve our country in a military manor. Move this thread to the steam vent.

 

[highfigh]

I could see boat audio sounding much better than car sound systems.

About the only real problem in cars is the lack of being able to site dead center between the speakers. Other than that, sound deadening can be used to make it extremely quiet. Have you ever been a car with a really well done sound system? I have built, heard and judged systems that were really detailed, smooth and musical. Too many go for the rap beat box systems that are annoying as hell but I always went for smooth and listenable. IASCA is/was an organization that governed car audio competitions and we used Audio Control RTA to check response. One time, all of the RTAs were out at the event so a friend and I (we worked together) had to EQ the system by ear. It scored 37 out of 40 points for that and the imaging was incredible.

Car systems can be amazing and they don't need to be a boom box on wheels but well, not everyone agrees with me on this.

Marine has its own issues. Being outside, it takes a lot more power to make it loud. Also, the Coast Guard has regulations on electrical systems, so a car alternator can't be used in a boat unless it has spark suppression added and this can limit the current output. Space isn't as available on a boat, either and that changes how speakers are mounted, where amps can go without being soaked and where subwoofers will fit. Still, it's possible to make a system sound really good in a boat.

More to the topic of the thread, one of the best sounding systems I ever installed was in a '73 Grand Prix with the red French whorehouse interior. Smooth, great imaging, deep bass but not obnoxiously strong, enough power to make it sound real and it was worth far more than the car. He didn't feel guilty, either.

 

[highfigh]

O I know. The indoor storage, gas, and bait cost time and money, however I want my media room petty bad.

Why can't the boat be both? That way, you can have it when you're on the water, too.

 

[mike c]

i find it funny that when i read the OP - i thought about the US

and i actually live in a 3rd world country...

 

[bandphan]

i find it funny that when i read the OP - i thought about the US

and i actually live in a 3rd world country...

100 subs and no running water

 

[Starmax]

This thread started out fun and now its getting personal. Insulting members (with a couple of exceptions of humor) is aggressive trolling, ie looking for responses for debate. And I appreciate all the members that serve our country in a military manor. Move this thread to the steam vent.

I agree with you, but it got my dander up when Deadeye completely misunderstood the intent and spirit of this thread. And when others started piling on regarding an insult against the military which I never made, I got frustrated about people's careless reading habits. Maybe it's years of accumulated ADD that this habit feeds (I'm guilty). Anyway, I'd like to see the venom die down too, but I'm not going to apologize for anything I never said.

 

[JLMEMT]

I would never feel guilty about spending money on something I feel is important to me. Honestly, I couldn't care less about someone else's opinion whether or not my money spent on audio is "worthwhile". It's all subjective.

Most of these purchases will last a life time. The bigger problem is when people spend $2.00+ a day on a cup of joe. That, is a never ending indulgence that will always be a negative in the pocket book. It'll also cost more over a lifetime!
($2.00 per day at 261 days (weekdays only) = $522/year...damn...coffee's expensive at those places!)

-pat

And that is low. Some of those places and you can easily get to $5-$6 a cup if you get "fancy".

Not to mention the fact that it isn't that great for you, especially if you drink alot of it.

Now audio on the other hand can be stress relief and bring joy. Therefore it is good for you and "cheap" therapy. Write it off as medical?

 

[bandphan]

but I'm not going to apologize for anything I never said.

then dont, its your choice. ive made plenty of apologies for the sake of civility over the years.

 

[lsiberian]

Buying stuff creates jobs. Jobs create money and the economy. So you give people jobs by buying stuff.

 

[Starmax]

then dont, its your choice. ive made plenty of apologies for the sake of civility over the years.

Ok, me too. I'm sorry. Are we good now?

 

[Starmax]

Buying stuff creates jobs. Jobs create money and the economy. So you give people jobs by buying stuff.

That's what drives me crazy about our economic system. On one hand we're encouraged to spend like drunk sailors to help revive a stalled economy, but over-leveraged spending is what got us into this mess in the first place.

 

[bandphan]

Ok, me too. I'm sorry. Are we good now?

Yep all good

 

[Starmax]

About the only real problem in cars is the lack of being able to site dead center between the speakers. Other than that, sound deadening can be used to make it extremely quiet. Have you ever been a car with a really well done sound system? I have built, heard and judged systems that were really detailed, smooth and musical. Too many go for the rap beat box systems that are annoying as hell but I always went for smooth and listenable. IASCA is/was an organization that governed car audio competitions and we used Audio Control RTA to check response. One time, all of the RTAs were out at the event so a friend and I (we worked together) had to EQ the system by ear. It scored 37 out of 40 points for that and the imaging was incredible.

Car systems can be amazing and they don't need to be a boom box on wheels but well, not everyone agrees with me on this.

Marine has its own issues. Being outside, it takes a lot more power to make it loud. Also, the Coast Guard has regulations on electrical systems, so a car alternator can't be used in a boat unless it has spark suppression added and this can limit the current output. Space isn't as available on a boat, either and that changes how speakers are mounted, where amps can go without being soaked and where subwoofers will fit. Still, it's possible to make a system sound really good in a boat.

More to the topic of the thread, one of the best sounding systems I ever installed was in a '73 Grand Prix with the red French whorehouse interior. Smooth, great imaging, deep bass but not obnoxiously strong, enough power to make it sound real and it was worth far more than the car. He didn't feel guilty, either.

I've never heard a seriously righteous sound system in a car...would love to someday. All I've heard is what you mentioned...annoying boom boxes on wheels. As far as boats I guess it does make a difference what kind of craft you're talking about. A Pontoon barge would basically be an outdoor patio system I guess, where a yacht would be like having a floating living room.

 

[Starmax]

And that is low. Some of those places and you can easily get to $5-$6 a cup if you get "fancy".

Not to mention the fact that it isn't that great for you, especially if you drink alot of it.

Now audio on the other hand can be stress relief and bring joy. Therefore it is good for you and "cheap" therapy. Write it off as medical?

Yeah, but do you ever feel guilty for dropping $5k on speakers when you know deep down you should've put that money into a new HVAC system instead? I do...or maybe buyer's remorse is a better way to put it. Misappropriation of your own funds, but you just can't help yourself.

 

[highfigh]

That's what drives me crazy about our economic system. On one hand we're encouraged to spend like drunk sailors to help revive a stalled economy, but over-leveraged spending is what got us into this mess in the first place.

For years, I have thought that more people should be happy with less and not try to keep up with the Jones'. When people are so far in debt that they risk losing everything in the event that they would lose their job, it's not an acceptable level. Having the coolest toys is great but when lenders and debt consolidation companies advertise with people proudly proclaiming "We paid off our credit cards and bought a boat!", it shows that they're targeting people hwo clearly can't make good financial decisions. The fact that they had maxed out several cards is one clue and then they bought a boat, which is the other. I worked fro two boat dealers and have seen how clueless many boat owners are when it comes to maintenance/value/debt/upgrade the boat to outdo someone else.

IMO, there's a lot of blame to go around and Barney Frank, Chris Dobbs and Franklin Raines (who basically stole $60M) should be prosecuted for this. Bush and many others tried to get the lending requirements made tighter and Congress wouldn't make it happen. Even Clinton tried and he's not one of my favorites.

This is a classic case of "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should". The people who knew they couldn't be sure they would be able to make their payments over a long term should have had the integrity to wait until they could and the lenders should have had the integrity to council these people. The problem with this is that money has no conscience, and never has.

 

[highfigh]

I've never heard a seriously righteous sound system in a car...would love to someday. All I've heard is what you mentioned...annoying boom boxes on wheels. As far as boats I guess it does make a difference what kind of craft you're talking about. A Pontoon barge would basically be an outdoor patio system I guess, where a yacht would be like having a floating living room.

If you haven't heard a really great car system, you haven't looked in the right places. The sound-offs are filled with boom boxes and yes, they are irritating to be near. Those were seriously long days and part of it is due to the fact that I don't like Rap and Hip Hop. I've tried, it just doesn't do it for me but that never stopped me from knowing what a good rap system sounds like. Another reason it's hard to find a really good sounding system is that so many people equate great with loud or so bassy it makes you want to puke.

Yachts are exactly that. It's easy to make a system sound good in one but the tricky part is running cables unless the installer gets in before the interior is installed. I did some audio in a friends' 32 footer last year and when I connected the sub, adjusted the amps and cranked it up, he just started laughing. Their boat became Party Central with the others at the marina. When I heard that, I said "I think I created a monster" and he agreed. It sounded good- I added a 4 channel power amp for the main speakers and a 2 channel for a truck sub, which fit inside a storage compartment with a grill and effectively made a bandpass box. It was OK out in the open but once it went in the compartment, it was great.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Please forgive me, I left you a "bad rep" and forgot to sign it. The one that says 'DIC*" is from the Dawg.

And it probably is your fault that a large percentage of the globe lives in or close to poverty, you reactionary pig.

 

[s162216]

Do I feel guilty? No. I buy all of my gear 2nd hand, used, etc. It's been years since I've purchased any "new" gear.

I always run at least 1 generation of technology behind simply because it is way cheaper, just look at my signiture, most of that stuff is 4, 5 or 6 years old, but it does the job fine so I am happy with it. (Plus no one has made a sound card to beat the Nvidia Soundstorm IMO)

 

[lsiberian]

That's what drives me crazy about our economic system. On one hand we're encouraged to spend like drunk sailors to help revive a stalled economy, but over-leveraged spending is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Yes but recessions are required to reorganize our labor.

It's crazy but recession, depressions and what not are all about economic shifts and labor shifts. In order to advance there must be a cyclical layoff and economic restructuring.

The insanity of it all can drive you crazy, but the key is to take it easy and remain calm. Use your head and you can survive.

 

[Matt34]

Yes but recessions are required to reorganize our labor.

It's crazy but recession, depressions and what not are all about economic shifts and labor shifts. In order to advance there must be a cyclical layoff and economic restructuring.

The insanity of it all can drive you crazy, but the key is to take it easy and remain calm. Use your head and you can survive.

Yeah, basically don't do what the government is doing and you'll be ok...