just-some-guy

just-some-guy

Audioholic Field Marshall
how does a guy tell if its the speakers, or the amp/s ? or even the room ?

thanx
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
You ask them, but it can be a real mind game. One of them will always tell the truth, and two of them will always lie. I never could figure it out, so I just turn the volume down.

[J/K, of course. :D Someone will answer your question for real, I'm sure.]
 
just-some-guy

just-some-guy

Audioholic Field Marshall
lol, ok.

i hooked up my new 01TXH today. i was cranking it up. i was just wondering if it was the speakers, or the amps. when fixin a problem, it is wise to "know" the problem. its not real bad, but who wants distortion.
 
H

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
how does a guy tell if its the speakers, or the amp/s ? or even the room ?

thanx
Substitute things if you can. If you swap speakers and the distortion goes away, it's probably the speaker(s). If it stays, it's either a source or the receiver (or integrated/pre-amp). If you have a good set of headphones and you don't hear the same distortion, it could be the speakers. Think about the possible causes logically.

A room may really screw up the sound but it won't make the audio sound distorted in the same ways as source/amplifier distortions.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
lol, ok.

i hooked up my new 01TXH today. i was cranking it up. i was just wondering if it was the speakers, or the amps. when fixin a problem, it is wise to "know" the problem. its not real bad, but who wants distortion.
It is impossible to say from the information you are giving. However, whatever is distorting, if you run it that way for an extended period of time, it may cause damage to either the speakers or the amplifier or both, so I recommend that you always turn things down when you start to hear distortion.

If you substitute out speakers as highfigh suggests, this will not tell you whether it is the speakers or not because the different speakers will almost certainly have a different impedance curve, and the replacement ones might be easier to drive, and consequently the amplifier may not distort driving them. Also, they may be a different efficiency, and play louder at a given power output, so, again, this will make it difficult to tell which is really the source of the problem.

If you replace the amplifier with something known to be much more powerful and capable of dealing with lower impedances, then when you turn up the volume to the same loudness (measure this with an SPL meter, not with how far the knob is turned), if you have the same distortion, it will be the speakers that was the source of the problem, and if not, then it was the weaker amplifier.

Another thing to consider in all of this is possible damage to your hearing from loud sounds, so you might want to consider how loud it really is before it distorts, and it may be best to simply listen at those lower levels. If you play your music too loud, you will have hearing damage in a few years. Just do a search for loud noises and hearing loss and read up on this before you go crazy with the volume.
 
just-some-guy

just-some-guy

Audioholic Field Marshall
It is impossible to say from the information you are giving. However, whatever is distorting, if you run it that way for an extended period of time, it may cause damage to either the speakers or the amplifier or both, so I recommend that you always turn things down when you start to hear distortion.

If you substitute out speakers as highfigh suggests, this will not tell you whether it is the speakers or not because the different speakers will almost certainly have a different impedance curve, and the replacement ones might be easier to drive, and consequently the amplifier may not distort driving them. Also, they may be a different efficiency, and play louder at a given power output, so, again, this will make it difficult to tell which is really the source of the problem.

If you replace the amplifier with something known to be much more powerful and capable of dealing with lower impedances, then when you turn up the volume to the same loudness (measure this with an SPL meter, not with how far the knob is turned), if you have the same distortion, it will be the speakers that was the source of the problem, and if not, then it was the weaker amplifier.

Another thing to consider in all of this is possible damage to your hearing from loud sounds, so you might want to consider how loud it really is before it distorts, and it may be best to simply listen at those lower levels. If you play your music too loud, you will have hearing damage in a few years. Just do a search for loud noises and hearing loss and read up on this before you go crazy with the volume.
that makes lots of sense. thanx

i know what loud is. have you ever been to a NHRA drag race, when the TOP FUEL cars are running. that sound will rip your guts out and shove them down your throat, then laugh in your face. its THAT loud. ... anyway. it wasn't that loud. and actually i was disappointed. and i have had my hearing tested. not perfect, but for my age, not bad at all. at work, when a difficult to diagnose/hear noise comes up, i get the call.

anyway, thanx a lot.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
how does a guy tell if its the speakers, or the amp/s ? or even the room ?

thanx
Hi,

The speakers will have the highest level of distortion of any components in your system. Subwoofers are first, loudspeakers are second.
Everything else being equal.

Cheers,

______
Bob
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
that makes lots of sense. thanx

i know what loud is. have you ever been to a NHRA drag race, when the TOP FUEL cars are running. that sound will rip your guts out and shove them down your throat, then laugh in your face. its THAT loud. ... anyway. it wasn't that loud. and actually i was disappointed. and i have had my hearing tested. not perfect, but for my age, not bad at all. at work, when a difficult to diagnose/hear noise comes up, i get the call.

anyway, thanx a lot.
You are quite welcome. I suspect that if you are going to drag races and sitting close to the cars without hearing protection, you are probably doing permanent damage to your hearing. One of the interesting things about sound and hearing loss is the fact that unless we are talking about very, very extremely loud sounds, the damage will not be noticeable until long after exposure to the loud sound. It can be years before you notice it, but once the damage is done, there is nothing that can be done about it (of course, they might come up with a cure, but I doubt that they will any time soon, so your best bet is to avoid loud sounds in the first place).

Also, the standards for hearing for your age is based upon other people in industrialized nations who have been exposed to normal sounds in such societies, so it reflects damage to their hearing. People in non-industrialized societies tend to have excellent hearing when they are old, unless they had an illness that affected their hearing (e.g., an ear infection or whatever). In other words, the reason old people usually don't hear so well is because of all of the loud sounds they have heard.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
It is impossible to say from the information you are giving. However, whatever is distorting, if you run it that way for an extended period of time, it may cause damage to either the speakers or the amplifier or both, so I recommend that you always turn things down when you start to hear distortion.

If you substitute out speakers as highfigh suggests, this will not tell you whether it is the speakers or not because the different speakers will almost certainly have a different impedance curve, and the replacement ones might be easier to drive, and consequently the amplifier may not distort driving them. Also, they may be a different efficiency, and play louder at a given power output, so, again, this will make it difficult to tell which is really the source of the problem.

If you replace the amplifier with something known to be much more powerful and capable of dealing with lower impedances, then when you turn up the volume to the same loudness (measure this with an SPL meter, not with how far the knob is turned), if you have the same distortion, it will be the speakers that was the source of the problem, and if not, then it was the weaker amplifier.

Another thing to consider in all of this is possible damage to your hearing from loud sounds, so you might want to consider how loud it really is before it distorts, and it may be best to simply listen at those lower levels. If you play your music too loud, you will have hearing damage in a few years. Just do a search for loud noises and hearing loss and read up on this before you go crazy with the volume.
that makes lots of sense. thanx

i know what loud is. have you ever been to a NHRA drag race, when the TOP FUEL cars are running. that sound will rip your guts out and shove them down your throat, then laugh in your face. its THAT loud. ... anyway. it wasn't that loud. and actually i was disappointed. and i have had my hearing tested. not perfect, but for my age, not bad at all. at work, when a difficult to diagnose/hear noise comes up, i get the call.

anyway, thanx a lot.
Every Audiophile should carry around ear plugs just in case they will be exposed to loud sounds. You don't want to ruin your hobby. I protect my hearing with great vigor. I have extremely sensitive ears because of it. And I can listen to music clearly at around -55db on my receiver. Most would listen much higher.

Seriously protect your ears, your kids and your friends if they'll listen.

It's stupid not too. Don't ruin your favorite thing in life by being dumb. Music is so wonderful.
 
CraigV

CraigV

Audioholic General
I pieced together some three way speakers to use while I practice playing/learning bass guitar. I have them setup in the computer room, one on top of the guitar amp, the other on top of a cabinet. When I crank it up, it distorts. I thought it was one of the speaker drivers gone bad, or even the amp. Turns out, it was items in the cabinet rattling around, as well as some Beatles memorabilia sitting on some shelves. I moved a few things around, but some of the rattle is still there. Oh well, guess it’s all part of rock n’ roll.
 

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