digital/switching amps?

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todd hilliard

Audiophyte
anybody own a digital amp that they feel outperforms a quality analog amp?
Like the idea of smaller, more efficient, less heat, but for me it has to sound better. Seems like a few newcomers are beginning to "get there" in terms of sound quality. I am hoping to listen to some Channel Island, Nuforce, and the new rotel digital amps. In the tech. area the Nuforce amps are pretty interesting.
Would like to hear opinions if anyone has demoed any yet. thanks
 
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Privateer

Full Audioholic
anybody own a digital amp that they feel outperforms a quality analog amp?
That is the problem, there are none to date. Digital amps work ok for low frequencies and that is about it hence why they are used in subwoofers. All digital amps sound horrible when running at full range but you will have to demo a setup and maybe you will like that kind of sound.
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
The only digital amp I would even THINK of auditioning with normal speakers would be Yamaha's MX-D1. But that's also a $5000 amp, for 2 channels. Not a run of the mill piece of equipment. So in genereal, no, I do not know of a digital amp that I would use.
 
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Privateer

Full Audioholic
I think that link had alot of BS in it because rotel does not even list there new amp on there web page and driving the LAT-1's is not easy. I would like to see 100 watts drive the LAT-1's to "insane" volume levels.
 
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miklorsmith

Full Audioholic
Sure

I've owned a PS Audio HCA-2, which sounded great with my Gallo Acoustics Ref. 3's. Currently, I'm using a 6-watt, battery powered Tripath that is incredible on my high efficiency speakers. I've also got an Audio Zone op-amp-based amp that's pretty nice, though I don't know if it's technically a switching amp.

Your picks on NuForce and Channel Islands are excellent. I would add IcePower stuff and Tripath products too. There are several manufacturers of both, and modders love the Tripath amps in all their many flavors. Some places have an in-house trial period that would be a great way to minimize risk.

The fears of switching are residual from earlier technologies. They're getting a lot better, for a lot cheaper. They're very efficient, which makes the amps lighter, with much less expensivo inside, and the reviewers are eating them up. They're bound to get better, but this is a good time to get in.
 
bobwood

bobwood

Audiophyte
NuForce 8b

I have the NuForce 8b on trial. My standard amp is a tweaked ARC VT100MKII. The NuForces each weigh 3 pounds. I thought I had nothing to lose in trial, but was entirely skeptical even after reading eyebrow raising reviews.

I have tried the H20 stereo sig s250 and in my system it didn't have the magic I seek. I must add that a freind bought one right after a listen and sold HIS ARC VT100MKII. His friend, an inveterate tube roller, did the same.

The NuForce impressed me from the get-go (it was already broken in). I can find absolutely nothing it lacks. I just keep thinking to myself, "This REALLY sounds good!"

I will now try their more powerful ref 9.

Bob Wood
http://www.GreatHomeTheater.com
http://woodsgoods2.blogspot.com
 
furrycute

furrycute

Banned
I have always been skeptical of anything that is touted as "revolutionary."

Most improvements in electronics are evolutionary rather than revolutionary.

Anyways, I have heard a stereo bookshelf system that uses digital amps (can't remember the manufacturer, it must have been either a Panasonic or Onkyo). And it sounded surprisingly good for such a small system.

But then again, I am highly skeptical of a 6 watt amp driving full range speakers. Of course you will get sound from that 6 watt amp. But what kind of sound?

The move to class D digital amps is entirely based on reductions in manufacturing costs. Class D digital amps are much less expensive to manufacture compared to traditional class A/B amps. That's the primary drive behind these "digital" amps. Sony not long ago made the decision to go with digital amps in all their ES receivers. But for yet as unannounced reasons abadoned that approach about a year or two ago.

If there is so much cost savings, and if the purported sound quality is that good, then there must be a reason why mass market manufacturers have not yet adopted digital amps in their into their consumer level receivers.

So far, Panasonic is the only mass market manufacturer that have incorporated digital amps into most of their receivers.



So does this mean that Sony, Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo, etc., know some deficiencies about these digital amps that we consumers do not?;)


P.S. I've always been partial to conspiracy theories. So take my opinions for what they are worth.
 
furrycute

furrycute

Banned
Another thought. Call me old fashioned, but to me, it doesn't matter if you are on Mars or on Earth, a watt of electrical power is still a watt of electrical power,.

If it takes 200 watts of a class A/B amplifier to adequately power a set of full range speakers. Then I would assume it would take 200 watts of a class D amp to power the same set of speakers as well. But people claim they are getting great sound from that same set of speakers using a 6 watt class D amp? Maybe someone somewhere changed the laws of physics and didn't bother to inform the rest of the world about the change...;)
 
ironlung

ironlung

Banned
Class G?

I'd like to add to the original question. How about peoples experience with a class G amp like the outlaw M-200 A/B operation up to 80 watts D up to 200 watts (8 ohms). Do they sound like crap?
 
MacManNM

MacManNM

Banned
Privateer said:
That is the problem, there are none to date. Digital amps work ok for low frequencies and that is about it hence why they are used in subwoofers. All digital amps sound horrible when running at full range but you will have to demo a setup and maybe you will like that kind of sound.

I beg to differ. i just listened to the NHT XD amp/speaker system, it was outstanding. I couldnt believe I was listening to a switching amp. It sounded better than most any brand i have heard lately.
 
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fergusonv

Audioholic
Had these comments been made over at avs about switching amps many of you would have already been burned at the stake by the Panny clan. I'm gonna stick with A/B for now and wait on the technology to improve with switching amps.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
I think the Nuforce Ref 9's were just given an Editor' Choice Product of the Year award by TAS.
 
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