Didn't believe I could get that sound...

[mouettus]

The problem with electric guitar is that it reproduces a certain degree of distortion. Then you have to find some speakers that tames this harshness when playing distortion. I always found the ~2khz to be the most problematic. I can tame it down with my car system's eq but not with my yamaha or my integrated. So I bought Energy speakers and voilà. Laid back speakers so the distortion and high voice pitch isn't "in your face" so much so you can continue to enjoy the music. I fell asleep on some killswitch engage the other day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ADlw8IuQ4

 

[Guangui]

Just for comparison I A/B'd my T45 vs. my B25, and the B25 was more laid back, and tamed the high's. On the other hand, when compared to the T45 they are muddy, not much though. I would say that B25 will play well with any equipment, while the T45 would benefit from better amplification with a more neutral amp/receiver like NAD.

 

[bandphan]

i still dont get how an amp can color the sound, unless its varies from solidstate to tube or there is something wrong with it. I use to believe that yamas had a warmer sound than denon, well they dont-got that one wrong. I love my mac but my pioneer sounds the same as does my yama, apples to apples.

 

[mouettus]

i still dont get how an amp can color the sound, unless its varies from solidstate to tube or there is something wrong with it. I use to believe that yamas had a warmer sound than denon, well they dont-got that one wrong. I love my mac but my pioneer sounds the same as does my yama, apples to apples.

Try a NAD. It definitely is the definition of warm.

Differences are subtle too, but it is there. I don't care what the number says, cuz my Energy's on my Yamaha and my Energy's on my NAD don't sound exactly the same.

Why would a japanese 1.8L engine be more powerful than a 2.0L Ford engine? Same kind of comparison. Engeneered differently.

 

[bandphan]

Try a NAD. It definitely is the definition of warm.

Differences are subtle too, but it is there. I don't care what the number says, cuz my Energy's on my Yamaha and my Energy's on my NAD don't sound exactly the same.

Why would a japanese 1.8L engine be more powerful than a 2.0L Ford engine? Same kind of comparison. Engeneered differently.

not power, sound.my mac is way more powerful than the other units i have but at equal watts the sound is the same. Unless your nad has a tube output stage in the pre side, the difference would be so minimal that most, and i mean most could never tell. Its our minds telling us its different.All perception

 

[fredk]

Why would a japanese 1.8L engine be more powerful than a 2.0L Ford engine?

Perhaps a more relevant comparison would be:
If you could mate a japanese made engine with 200.5 hp and an american made engine with 199.3 hp that were similarly close in all other relevant specs to the same drive chain and chassis, would you be able to tell the difference in acceleration?

Fred

Support national rant against bad grammer day

 

[peterL]

When I first was buying gear, I started out with a Sony STR-DE975 receiver from Circuit City. I quickly discovered it wasn't sufficient for my setup (number of inputs, etc). Thankfully I was within their return policy and I discovered the smaller audio shops. I bought a pioneer elite receiver (their lowest model at the time, this was a few years ago). It sounded muddy. I messed with it forever, but none of my music sounded right and I couldn't ever fix it, so I returned it. I ended up with a Sony ES receiver, which I still love to this day. The sound wasn't different (to my ears without doing an A/B comparison) between the "low end" and "high end" Sonys. I don't know if something was wrong with the Pioneer or if something is wrong with my ears (since lots of people hate Sony amps), but my impression is that there are differences in amp design and some amps do sound different. Next year, I'm upgrading my receiver so I can get the newer bells and whistles and an HDTV, so I'll have to deal with all this again. I'm considering Denon or Onkyo, but I'm hoping the overall "sound" won't change much since I'm happy with my system as it is.

 

[Guangui]

When I first was buying gear, I started out with a Sony STR-DE975 receiver from Circuit City. I quickly discovered it wasn't sufficient for my setup (number of inputs, etc). Thankfully I was within their return policy and I discovered the smaller audio shops. I bought a pioneer elite receiver (their lowest model at the time, this was a few years ago). It sounded muddy. I messed with it forever, but none of my music sounded right and I couldn't ever fix it, so I returned it. I ended up with a Sony ES receiver, which I still love to this day. The sound wasn't different (to my ears without doing an A/B comparison) between the "low end" and "high end" Sonys. I don't know if something was wrong with the Pioneer or if something is wrong with my ears (since lots of people hate Sony amps), but my impression is that there are differences in amp design and some amps do sound different. Next year, I'm upgrading my receiver so I can get the newer bells and whistles and an HDTV, so I'll have to deal with all this again. I'm considering Denon or Onkyo, but I'm hoping the overall "sound" won't change much since I'm happy with my system as it is.

I had a Sony HTIB, and the Sony receiver that came with it gave me 10 yrs of great service; it is still working fine at my father-in-law home. When I changed to flat panel I decided to upgrade the receiver, so I could take advantage of HDMI. After lots of research, I bought a Marantz SR-5001 which gaven the old Sony speakers a totally different sound, better SQ. That's what made me decide to upgrade speakers to something better, and take full advantage of the SQ the Marantz receiver provides; which lead me to PSB Image Series.

 

[peterL]

I had a Sony HTIB, and the Sony receiver that came with it gave me 10 yrs of great service; it is still working fine at my father-in-law home. When I changed to flat panel I decided to upgrade the receiver, so I could take advantage of HDMI. After lots of research, I bought a Marantz SR-5001 which gaven the old Sony speakers a totally different sound, better SQ. That's what made me decide to upgrade speakers to something better, and take full advantage of the SQ the Marantz receiver provides; which lead me to PSB Image Series.

That's what I have as well (T45s, C40 and B15s) with my Sony ES receiver and I think everything sounds fantastic!

 

[Guangui]

That's what I have as well (T45s, C40 and B15s) with my Sony ES receiver and I think everything sounds fantastic!

Sony ES is a very good underestimated receiver...

 

[Sheep]

Try a NAD. It definitely is the definition of warm.

Differences are subtle too, but it is there. I don't care what the number says, cuz my Energy's on my Yamaha and my Energy's on my NAD don't sound exactly the same.

Why would a japanese 1.8L engine be more powerful than a 2.0L Ford engine? Same kind of comparison. Engeneered differently.

Well duh, you perceived the difference, everyone does. Get both sets measured any I highly doubt there will be a real difference.

I have Energy's on a Yamaha Receiver, and with the music I listen to they come across as very bright. Most likely cause: Room, Recording, and the Speaker itself. Energy has a fairly bright top end so I tone it down with the TONE control. You CAN use these you know.

On the topic of recorded music, tell me a song you think is NOT compressed, and I'll check and post the results. Pretty much every song is compressed to crap. It's almost a guarantee.

SheepStar

 

[davidtwotrees]

On the topic of recorded music, tell me a song you think is NOT compressed, and I'll check and post the results. Pretty much every song is compressed to crap. It's almost a guarantee. SheepStar

Raises hand!
Artist: Sia Furler
Album:Some People Have Real Problems
Song: Death by Chocolate

 

[3db]

Well duh, you perceived the difference, everyone does. Get both sets measured any I highly doubt there will be a real difference.

I have Energy's on a Yamaha Receiver, and with the music I listen to they come across as very bright. Most likely cause: Room, Recording, and the Speaker itself. Energy has a fairly bright top end so I tone it down with the TONE control. You CAN use these you know.

On the topic of recorded music, tell me a song you think is NOT compressed, and I'll check and post the results. Pretty much every song is compressed to crap. It's almost a guarantee.

SheepStar

Unless recorded on vinyl. Its still compressed but not nearly as much as today's poorly engineered recordings on CD.

 

[Sheep]

Raises hand!
Artist: Sia Furler
Album:Some People Have Real Problems
Song: Death by Chocolate

This is one weird song. It isn't compressed and maxed out, but it doesn't really make use of it's free dynamic range.

For a reference, this is Radar love by Golden Earing.

Notice how there is more volume. Looks like the Sia song was squashed but never expanded like most compressed music.

SheepStar

 

[davidtwotrees]

So, is it compressed?
The ipod crowd on her site have complained that the cd is so quiet on their ipods that it is a problem for them. I thought it sounded great on my rig. There are some really quiet passages on that song......

 

[Sheep]

So, is it compressed?
The ipod crowd on her site have complained that the cd is so quiet on their ipods that it is a problem for them. I thought it sounded great on my rig. There are some really quiet passages on that song......

It's really quiet. It's not compressed, this is what a compressed song looks like.

But it doesn't use any headroom. It is stays quiet, there is no loud sections. IMO that song is lifeless.

I have a section on the soundtrack from Batman Begins that shows the best use of dynamics. It's the scene when Batmans beats up all the guys unloading the container.

Notice how the song has big peaks and big nulls, showing a very large dynamic range.

The big problem with songs that are TOO quiet, is you can get quantization errors. This only happens when you record in digital though, and it has to be below -45dBFS.

SheepStar

 

[BG3]

And that's how I became a believer in the PSB Image Series...Haven't heard the Wharfadele Opus, so I cannot comment, but maybe the smartest move will be to buy a C40 or C60 center, and enjoy your setup for many years to come...Now, go and get some sleep.

I too am now a believer in the PSB Image Series. I love all types of music and really get into some Pink Floyd and Metallica. I've played PF's Pulse, David Gilmour's Remember That Night (DD TrueHD), Metallica's S&M and Ride The Lightning cds in their entirety along with some hip-hop and classic rock to fairly loud levels without noticeable distortion when the CFO was away (ie. -10 to -8 on the 905). Though, it's rare when I really want to listen at those levels. I'm usually near -18 for movies & music to -30>-40 range for tv. I've been extremely pleased with the soundstage/presence & dynamic range these speakers offer.

I haven't found much source material I liked before the PSB's, that I haven't enjoyed moreso with them. I have however, found some material that didn't sit right with me for some reason or another. Upon listening to it with the PSB's and 905, I discovered the details I didn't like were either more apparent/worse or non existent. I chalk the issues that got worse up to source problems. The issues that went away I attribute to my previous setup.

 

[Guangui]

I too am now a believer in the PSB Image Series. I love all types of music and really get into some Pink Floyd and Metallica. I've played PF's Pulse, David Gilmour's Remember That Night (DD TrueHD), Metallica's S&M and Ride The Lightning cds in their entirety along with some hip-hop and classic rock to fairly loud levels without noticeable distortion when the CFO was away (ie. -10 to -8 on the 905). Though, it's rare when I really want to listen at those levels. I'm usually near -18 for movies & music to -30>-40 range for tv. I've been extremely pleased with the soundstage/presence & dynamic range these speakers offer.

I haven't found much source material I liked before the PSB's, that I haven't enjoyed moreso with them. I have however, found some material that didn't sit right with me for some reason or another. Upon listening to it with the PSB's and 905, I discovered the details I didn't like were either more apparent/worse or non existent. I chalk the issues that got worse up to source problems. The issues that went away I attribute to my previous setup.

I'm glad it worked out for you....