Dept. of Justice sides with RIAA in MP3 File-Sharing Lawsuit

[Sheep]

Noo, not ignorant. Just very blunt but accurate. Artists of teh futur will no longer onw the rights to their music. It is now soley owned by the record companies accoridng to the new bill that was passed by the US government. Its a very sad day for artists and just goes to show that the almight buck dictates what is right and not ethics.

Sheep, I heard that in 2008, it will be no longer to download music legally in Canada. Can you confirm this?

No I cannot, but it isn't going to stop me. I support the bands I like. When you take a step back and see what is out there, and how crappy not only the musical content can be, and the production of the music itself, it's very obvious why people download. Not to mention itunes is a lamest program ever made. I've had virus's that were more pleasant.

SheepStar

 

[AdrianMills]

Okay, back into the fray then...

Hold on a second, don't try back peddling now. You held out that poor excuse in all seriousness. I can back up what I say. You got called out on it. Don't like it, stay on the porch. I may have a chip on my folder, but you stuffed your foot in your mouth.

Seriously, I just did a quick google for frivolous lawsuits and grabbed one of the first links on the list; whether those are genuine or not, well, I've no idea but it's pretty much a given that there have been many enormous fines in the US which hardly seem in line with the crime, at least to those of us with any sense of balance. Are you denying this and do you really want me to start digging up some of the extremes?

To us living outside the US it’s fairly obvious that your country has a culture of excessively large settlements and fines which is probably one of the reasons why there is so much litigation in the first place.

The arrogant Ms. Thomas brought all this down on herself. She is again the one that chose to share content. You need to read up a little bit about her before feeling any pity. She is hardley innocent in all of this. Yes, potentially distributing hundreds of thousands of copies of works that aren't yours just may net you a $220,000 fine. I wish that RIAA and the MPAA would also dry up and blow away. Doesn't mean I am going to go into the wrong to help make it happen.

She broke the law, not one person is denying that fact. What's in question is the enormity of the fine which, to anyone with just a little common sense, is beyond the pale.

Oh, and your point about "potentially" distributing all these copies, well dude, they should then start giving out 1M fines to any CD and DVD shoplifters just because they could "potentially" make copies and distribute them.

 

[jinjuku]

Honestly, I just want people to respect other people and their hard worked for efforts. From what I have seen from you and sheep, it really is too much to ask for.

People like you will find excuse after excuse:

1. All the music out there sucks so I am justified. I am assuming that you aren't downloading the music that sucks. But the stuff that doesn't in YHO.

2. RIAA/MPAA are ancient dinosaurs that eat their young. Therefore I am going to stick it to them by down/up loading other peoples content

3. iTunes/Rhapsody/whatever music service place here suck. They are like a virus. Therefore I will install the MUCH better programed and bug free limewire/emule/bearshare/kazaa whatever p2p client and down/up load some one elses content.

4. The list will endlessly go on because the bottom line is: Your cheap, you want 100% of the features for 0% of the cost.

It's hard to give you respect when you clearly have little for others. If you like it buy it. If you don't, don't. If you get caught, I hope you are smart and settle. If you thumb your nose and take it to a jury you're to blame. No one else. I know how to live responsibly and take credit and blame for my actions. Do you?

 

[Johnd]

Okay, back into the fray then...


Seriously, I just did a quick google for frivolous lawsuits and grabbed one of the first links on the list; whether those are genuine or not, well, I've no idea but it's pretty much a given that there have been many enormous fines in the US which hardly seem in line with the crime, at least to those of us with any sense of balance. Are you denying this and do you really want me to start digging up some of the extremes?

To us living outside the US it’s fairly obvious that your country has a culture of excessively large settlements and fines which is probably one of the reasons why there is so much litigation in the first place.


She broke the law, not one person is denying that fact. What's in question is the enormity of the fine which, to anyone with just a little common sense, is beyond the pale.

Oh, and your point about "potentially" distributing all these copies, well dude, they should then start giving out 1M fines to any CD and DVD shoplifters just because they could "potentially" make copies and distribute them.

Just to get myself into the fray: (I do not know the lawsuits of which any of you write for the record).

It really is irresponsible and virtually impossible to tell if a suit is frivolous, the claims outrageous, or the penalties inequitable without firsthand knowledge of the case. This is readily illustrated by the fact that the judge sees and hears many things that are not part of the record, and the jury sees and hears many things that are neither reported, nor displayed on CourtTV or the network news.

Best case in point that I can think of is the most famous case of all...the OJ case. The first irony (or revelation about American society) is the racial division in the matter: blacks overwhelmingly gleefully rejoiced in his acquittal, whites were overwhelmingly disgusted and disappointed.

But back to the point. The naysayers were quipping about an unfair trial and racial pressure to acquit. But it is simple to understand the acquittal, and that our system does work (albeit sometimes not for justice) if you understand the judge, the jury (and their depth, or lack thereof), the evidence, the attorneys on both sides, and the arguments (with a little deception and sophistry mixed in) they presented to the jury. The system does overwhelmingly work. Just don't look for fairness or justice in it.

 

[Sheep]

Honestly, I just want people to respect other people and their hard worked for efforts. From what I have seen from you and sheep, it really is too much to ask for.

People like you will find excuse after excuse:

1. All the music out there sucks so I am justified. I am assuming that you aren't downloading the music that sucks. But the stuff that doesn't in YHO.

2. RIAA/MPAA are ancient dinosaurs that eat their young. Therefore I am going to stick it to them by down/up loading other peoples content

3. iTunes/Rhapsody/whatever music service place here suck. They are like a virus. Therefore I will install the MUCH better programed and bug free limewire/emule/bearshare/kazaa whatever p2p client and down/up load some one elses content.

4. The list will endlessly go on because the bottom line is: Your cheap, you want 100% of the features for 0% of the cost.

It's hard to give you respect when you clearly have little for others. If you like it buy it. If you don't, don't. If you get caught, I hope you are smart and settle. If you thumb your nose and take it to a jury you're to blame. No one else. I know how to live responsibly and take credit and blame for my actions. Do you?

I just bought 3 CD's in the last 2 days. In our world, you generally get a service, then pay. Music should be no different. My money needs to be earned.

You keep playing this stealing card. Give it a rest. If Hitler had a food cart, would you buy from it? No you'd steal, to see him suffer. The Record labels and the music industry in general screw the bands, take their work and rights, and give them very little in return. I'll buy CDs that are great, song after song, but disks that have 1 good song, then 9 abortions, will not be purchased. If you had your car serviced, and the only one thing out of the 10 things requiring fixing as done well, you'd be damn pissed off, crap your pants and demand a discount. Where is the difference? You can't return an opened CD. Most of the bands I listen to prefer downloading. It's free advertising and it really helps word of mouth publicity, simply because more people can readily experience their work. If they're a good band, they will fill a concert hall.

I also shun downloading because I want to have a hard copy of what I've purchased, so I can use it in many different applications.

SheepStar

 

[AdrianMills]

Honestly, I just want people to respect other people and their hard worked for efforts. From what I have seen from you and sheep, it really is too much to ask for.

Uh, what?

Where on earth have you picked up that I don't respect people and their hard work? The issue here is about fitting the punishment to the crime, that is all.

People like you will find excuse after excuse:

1. All the music out there sucks so I am justified. I am assuming that you aren't downloading the music that sucks. But the stuff that doesn't in YHO.

2. RIAA/MPAA are ancient dinosaurs that eat their young. Therefore I am going to stick it to them by down/up loading other peoples content

3. iTunes/Rhapsody/whatever music service place here suck. They are like a virus. Therefore I will install the MUCH better programed and bug free limewire/emule/bearshare/kazaa whatever p2p client and down/up load some one elses content.

4. The list will endlessly go on because the bottom line is: Your cheap, you want 100% of the features for 0% of the cost.

It's hard to give you respect when you clearly have little for others. If you like it buy it. If you don't, don't. If you get caught, I hope you are smart and settle. If you thumb your nose and take it to a jury you're to blame. No one else. I know how to live responsibly and take credit and blame for my actions. Do you?

Dude, I buy my movies and music and I can tell you that I spend a considerable amount of money doing so.

But anyway, that's irrelevant; I'll say it again, it's all about the punishment fitting the crime and giving an individual a 200K fine for sharing songs is way over the top.

 

[jinjuku]

I just bought 3 CD's in the last 2 days. In our world, you generally get a service, then pay. Music should be no different. My money needs to be earned.

You keep playing this stealing card. Give it a rest. If Hitler had a food cart, would you buy from it? No you'd steal, to see him suffer. The Record labels and the music industry in general screw the bands, take their work and rights, and give them very little in return. I'll buy CDs that are great, song after song, but disks that have 1 good song, then 9 abortions, will not be purchased. If you had your car serviced, and the only one thing out of the 10 things requiring fixing as done well, you'd be damn pissed off, crap your pants and demand a discount. Where is the difference? You can't return an opened CD. Most of the bands I listen to prefer downloading. It's free advertising and it really helps word of mouth publicity, simply because more people can readily experience their work. If they're a good band, they will fill a concert hall.

I also shun downloading because I want to have a hard copy of what I've purchased, so I can use it in many different applications.

SheepStar

Find in any post where I use the word 'Stealing'. I use the term copyright infringement. Peoples rights are being stepped on. Pure and Simple.

Last time I checked RIAA/MPAA didn't murder six million Jews, or start a war that ended with the USA having to drop a few nukes on a civilian population. Please give that sort of silly argument a rest.

"I'll buy CDs that are great, song after song, but disks that have 1 good song, then 9 abortions, will not be " I haven't purchased a CD in years that I wasn't able to year a sound snippet on before purchase. Yes I have a few CD's that turned out to be dogs. I am not letting less than 1% of my collection determine how I obtain the other 99%.

"Most of the bands I listen to prefer downloading. It's free advertising and it really helps word of mouth publicity" GREAT!, Truly. That band can decide NOT sign a contract that is NOT in their best interest and they have every RIGHT to put their release out there for mass consumption via download. I would love for that to be the next big thing.

Not all labels are RIAA members either. RIAA isn't the only f'd up association out there. ASCAP actually sued the Girl Scouts of America for pete's sake.

Please don't get me wrong, I have no love of these labels. But for my rights to mean anything, I have to stick up for others rights.

 

[jinjuku]

Uh, what?

Where on earth have you picked up that I don't respect people and their hard work? The issue here is about fitting the punishment to the crime, that is all.

Sorry about that Adrian. I leveled that at the wrong person. On the fine, we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Sheep]

This is my last post, as this thread has now going in a couple complete circles.

Why is this in the DVD section?

SheepStar