Denon DVD-5910CI DVD Player Review

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MAX661

Audioholic
Tawnos,

I like how you take half a post from 1 person and then take another half post from someone else in which Macca350 was correcting the intial posters mistake and bend them to sound like you made a point or something...lol

You just never quit do you.:rolleyes:
 
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Tawnos

Banned
I'm no fandboy and do use the Panasonic Blu-ray player and the 5910ci.
The blu ray players are far superior to the toshiba because I have read many reviews where the blu ray players act and behave like a high end DVD player. My main problem is with the paper weight toshiba.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Tawnos said:
The blu ray players are far superior to the toshiba because I have read many reviews where the blu ray players act and behave like a high end DVD player. My main problem is with the paper weight toshiba.
You have to be kidding. Not only are you generalizing but that statement is just nonsence. Just because the HD-DVD players aren't capable of outputing 1080p doesn't make them not good, or much less superior to blu-ray players. The Samsung was a joke for example. The Toshiba HD-DVD player is known to have very good upconverting capabilities for SD DVD, where the Samsung failed miserably. It is also known to have very good CD playback, comparable to high end CD players.
 
Seth=L said:
You have to be kidding. Not only are you generalizing but that statement is just nonsence. Just because the HD-DVD players aren't capable of outputing 1080p doesn't make them not good, or much less superior to blu-ray players. The Samsung was a joke for example. The Toshiba HD-DVD player is known to have very good upconverting capabilities for SD DVD, where the Samsung failed miserably. It is also known to have very good CD playback, comparable to high end CD players.
Tawnos & Seth, I'm just curious. Do either of you actually own either of these players?
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I do not own them, but have spent much time looking through the glass and comparing them in the store, not that it makes me an expert. I just didn't like the generalization that Blu-Ray players are vastly superior to HD-DVD players, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
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Tawnos

Banned
I would not be dumb enough to support the first generation of anything.
 
M

MAX661

Audioholic
Tawnos said:
I would not be dumb enough to support the first generation of anything.
You sure seem to have pretty strong opinions about equipment you dont own and generally have no real knowledge about other than things you have read or maybe a store demo here and there.

And if everyone thought like that we would never be lucky enough to see the 2nd generation of anything!

Instead of constantly insulting people who provide you your equipment cheaper and without bugs maybe you should thank them...lol

Also you seem to think that just because someone buys the first generation of something, they will not be around for the 3rd, 4th, or 5th generation buying a new unit. Many of us in this hobby buy and sell our equipment quite often, It costs us a bit more but also allows us to always have the best technology available at the time in our homes for our enjoyment.
 
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Sleestack

Senior Audioholic
Tawnos said:
I would not be dumb enough to support the first generation of anything.
I guess I'm pretty dumb to have bought this first generation 65" Panasonic 1080p plasma? Somehow when I'm watching movies, I don't feel quite so dumb.
 
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Tawnos

Banned
You sure seem to have pretty strong opinions about equipment you dont own and generally have no real knowledge about other than things you have read or maybe a store demo here and there.
I do not own the product but I know 5 other people who do and I have seen enough to know what I am talking about.

guess I'm pretty dumb to have bought this first generation 65" Panasonic 1080p plasma? Somehow when I'm watching movies, I don't feel quite so dumb.
That is not a first generation plasma! If you had bought a first generation plasma it would not be working right now!
 
Tawnos said:
I do not own the product but I know 5 other people who do and I have seen enough to know what I am talking about.
5 people? That's incredible.
Tawnos said:
That is not a first generation plasma! If you had bought a first generation plasma it would not be working right now!
He said first generation 1080p plasma. Please stop acting like you know what you are talking about if you do not. Consider listening with your ears, not your mouth, and you may pick up some very useful information from these forums and be a better person for it.

I wish more people understood that talking and reading online doesn't make you an "expert" by association.
 
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Sleestack

Senior Audioholic
Tawnos said:
That is not a first generation plasma! If you had bought a first generation plasma it would not be working right now!
Fair enough, but it is a first generation 1080p plasma.

I will say my first generation Panasonic Blu-ray player is a POS. New blu-ray movies look great, but just about everything else about that player simply sucks.
 
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Tawnos

Banned
will say my first generation Panasonic Blu-ray player is a POS. New blu-ray movies look great, but just about everything else about that player simply sucks.
Both blu ray and HD dvd should not have been released but that is the american way, release something now and worry about it later.
 
Welly Wu

Welly Wu

Audiophyte
Hi sleestack!

Hi guys!

I made the purchase for a used Denon DVD 5910ci myself along with a Samsung LN-2338W 23" wide screen LCD HDTV for my bedroom. I also ordered Volex 17604 power cords and Blue Jeans Cable LC-1 and Series-2 HDMI cables. I should be receiving a lot of shipments by the end of next week. Your Audioholics 5910ci review is the most comprehensive one I could find anywhere and that pretty much sealed it for me. Your BJC reviews were also quite illuminating for me.

This is my gear:

Denon DVD 5910ci
Ray Samuels Audio Emmeline HR-2
Ultimate Ears Ue-10 Pro
Balanced Power Technologies L-9 power, Blue Jeans Cable Series-2 HDMI, LC-1, Cardas Golden Reference Power, Interconnects, Volex 17604
Balanced Power Technologies BP.Jr II Ultra (Signature Upgrades)
Samsung LN-2338W

Thanks for all of the hard work you guys did into the BJC and Denon DVD 5910ci review. It's really helped me.

By the way, is the Samsung LN-2338W "good enough" for a bedroom setting?
 
Welly Wu

Welly Wu

Audiophyte
I bought three Volex 17604 power cords from Allied Electronics for ~ $54 USD including shipping from Allied Electronics. I am selling off my Cardas Golden Reference cables.
 
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ronnie 1.8

Audioholic
The review states that the delay settings in audio setup are limited to 1ft adjustability. I would believe the 5910 is the same as my 3930, in that feet or meters can be chosen. Meters can be adjusted in 0.1 meter increments, which equals .33 feet, much more accurate. FYI.
 
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ronnie 1.8

Audioholic
The following is stated in the review,

"Source Direct
Source Direct bypasses bass management but maintains channel trims and delay settings. This is the only way to get SACD in native DSD format but unadvisable in most cases unless you are connecting the player to external bass management system such as an AVR receiver with bass management on its external multi channel inputs. Source Direct automatically boosts bass by +5dB for DTS and +15dB for SACD to ensure proper format level matching when connected to a processor."


So if I listen to an SACD via the player's 5.1ch audio outs, the bass management in my AVR is being used? I thought the bass management in the AVR was only being utilized when the player's digital audio out (i.e., Denon Link) was being used.

And why is it referred to as "bass management" when Denon calls the menu "speaker setup" (an unecessary source of confusion).

And speaking of speaker setup (aka bass management), what elements does one consider when assigning the value of "large" or "small" to their speakers? The Denon manual says something like, "if your speaker can reproduce low frequencies". Well, I have a good sized center channel (see signature) that I'm sure is capable of producing relatively low frequencies, but how is "low frequency" defined? What frequency? What, technically, is changing in assigning it "large" vs "small"? As is not unusual, this has nothing to do what with I can hear. I'd just like to know how the menu "speaker setup" is properly used.

However, putting my player into "source direct", as quote above, the 15dB increase in bass is certainly heard, and is too much for me. I prefer to keep "source direct" off.

EDIT: I just ran across Clint's article Bass Management Basics – Settings Made Simple. It should answer my one speaker size question.
 
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MACCA350

MACCA350

Audioholic Chief
ronnie 1.8 said:
So if I listen to an SACD via the player's 5.1ch audio outs, the bass management in my AVR is being used? I thought the bass management in the AVR was only being utilized when the player's digital audio out (i.e., Denon Link) was being used.
The review was talking about using the 'source direct' function of the player, if this is selected then the player will not do any bass management so if any BM is required then you'll need a receiver that performs BM on EXT IN(5805 i believe). In your case the 3805 does not do any BM on EXT IN so its advisable not to select the 'source direct' function so the player can perform BM. Or use the Denon Link and let your receiver do the BM

ronnie 1.8 said:
And speaking of speaker setup (aka bass management), what elements does one consider when assigning the value of "large" or "small" to their speakers? The Denon manual says something like, "if your speaker can reproduce low frequencies". Well, I have a good sized center channel (see signature) that I'm sure is capable of producing relatively low frequencies, but how is "low frequency" defined? What frequency? What, technically, is changing in assigning it "large" vs "small"? As is not unusual, this has nothing to do what with I can hear. I'd just like to know how the menu "speaker setup" is properly used.
The large and small setting is what tells the receiver/player what speakers get signal below your selected crossover frequency. If you set your mains to large they will get full range signals all the way down to and below 10Hz, if they're set to small then they will only receive bass down to the crossover fq and the rest will be diverted to those set to large and the sub(depending on your sub settings).
So the question is what reproduces the lowest bass the best in your system? In most cases its the sub, so set all your speakers to small otherwise they will be called to reproduce below 10Hz.

My opinion on the matter is, the only time you set your speakers to large is if you don't have a sub.

cheers:)
 
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