DENON AVR-5803 or Yamaha RX-Z9

[jms27]

Hi, I have $6000, and buying me a hometheater system, well , i can't decided between the denon 5803 or yamaha rx-z9, now i have heard through the grapewine, that yamaha is know for just pumping out pure "unadulterated" music from their recievers! Denon on the otherhand, my dad just stands by his old buddy, which is a denon! He says the build and craftmanship is unbeatable! Now after reading Genes review of the yamaha rx-z9, my father points out to me the part about the heat sink arrangement, he says denon would think stuff out like that, at first i thought he was crazy, well then i got to thinkin, and you know he planted that seed, and well its got me going for the denon now, but then i think what bout the "denon link", is that the same was "i link" on the yamaha, also can i use non denon dvd player and hook it up to denon link? Now, i dont really care much about video processing, and i plan on keeping this reciever for a while! One more thing i plan on taking genes recommendation and buy the Avant 900 Series, he suggested in the 12k series, so please give me your "unbiased" opinion or fact derived suggestion, for which receiver?

thanks,
joe c

Ps. I figure i'll get some cash from some where, cause its probably gonna be $8k after wires and all!!

 

[Nick250]

Hi, I have $6000, and buying me a hometheater system, , but then i think what bout
thanks,
joe c

Ps. I figure i'll get some cash from some where, cause its probably gonna be $8k after wires and all!!

Speaker wire from Radio Shack or Home Depot about $50. Their is no audiable improvement in the boutique brands. Figure maybe another $50 to $75 on Radio Shack Gold interconnects. They now sell Monster cables at Radio Shack and I would encourge you from spending the extra dough on them as there is no advantage to them and the way they run their company pisses off alot of people including me.

Any of the receivers you mentioned will be fine cuz as we all know it's speakers and room acoustics that determine the sound in your listening room not receivers and they all are decent products.

 

[azsoundman]

Speaker wire from Radio Shack or Home Depot about $50. Their is no audiable improvement in the boutique brands. Figure maybe another $50 to $75 on Radio Shack Gold interconnects. They now sell Monster cables at Radio Shack and I would encourge you from spending the extra dough on them as there is no advantage to them and the way they run their company pisses off alot of people including me.

Any of the receivers you mentioned will be fine cuz as we all know it's speakers and room acoustics that determine the sound in your listening room not receivers and they all are decent products.

Dude?? What the hell are U thinking? Speaker wire from RS or HD? Get a Clue!
Would U put re-tread tires on a Maserati?? Of coarse NOT! Have U ever read
ANY of the speaker cable reviews on this site or in The absolute Sound or Stereophile magazine..I cant believe how Stupid a comment that is to anyone
who has spent any amount of time in this business! I sell both the Denon 5805 and the Z-9 and U better believe that the science of cables, interconnects and line conditioning makes a HUGE difference in performance! Does it have to be the "Monster" brand? NO.. and I agree there is a point of diminishing returns.. But both receivers will shut down a 15 amp circuit in a heartbeat with what UR suggesting and I know I've done it! Do amplifiers sound different? of coarse they do.. These two units are excellent but yes they are different in the way they sound and react to different speaker loads.
I have sent an E-mail direct to this poster asking for more info so he may make a logical decision.. but UR comment is just plain WRONG! Please do some real research on your own and try it for yourself, with REAL product, 32 years of doing this tells me I know it DOES matter!

 

[Takeereasy]

Azsoundman, calm down. Take a deep breath, in...out...in....out. Don't get so angry at someone posting trying to help. You can feel free to correct where you feel it's necessary, but you're coming across kind of mean. You're also arguing against information that is readily available at this site. Just look here, here, or what the hey, take a gander at the other 20 or thirty articles here. I'm curious. What is going to shut down a 15 amp circut? The interconnects or the Home Depot wire? I'm not attacking you, I'm just curious. Do you honestly think that 12 or 10 gage wire would have any problem handling 200w? Maybe if it was made of lead, but the wires suggested are copper, pretty much oxygen free, and of decent quality. Maybe something a little nicer looking, like axiom audio's cables, or maybe something a little more speakerwirey looking like some beleden cable would be better in their own way, but don't jump down some guy's throat for offering help. My suggestion would be to get the prettiest wire that will do the job that the poster can easily afford. If he can snag some Kimber Cable great, but most of us can't spend 6 grand on a receiver and 8 grand on the wire and then not have a distinct limp and a sore backside the next morning. That's my 2 cents.

 

[zipper]

I doubt you could go wrong with either unit. They're both tanks from what I've seen & heard. I'll throw a wrench in the works & suggest you listen to the B&K AVR-507 if you can. An excellent piece of gear that you may actually get cheaper.........................speaking of which, that may be a way to decide between the Denon or Yamaha........see who will discount you the most. See who will come off their list price the most.

As far as cabling & wires go, quality interconnects are a good idea along with some good 12 awg speaker wire. But two of the previous posters here are correct. Pretty speaker wire will not enhance the sound of your system. That's not the place to be spending your dough IMO.

 

[shokhead]

Dude?? What the hell are U thinking? Speaker wire from RS or HD? Get a Clue!
Would U put re-tread tires on a Maserati?? Of coarse NOT! Have U ever read
ANY of the speaker cable reviews on this site or in The absolute Sound or Stereophile magazine..I cant believe how Stupid a comment that is to anyone
who has spent any amount of time in this business! I sell both the Denon 5805 and the Z-9 and U better believe that the science of cables, interconnects and line conditioning makes a HUGE difference in performance! Does it have to be the "Monster" brand? NO.. and I agree there is a point of diminishing returns.. But both receivers will shut down a 15 amp circuit in a heartbeat with what UR suggesting and I know I've done it! Do amplifiers sound different? of coarse they do.. These two units are excellent but yes they are different in the way they sound and react to different speaker loads.
I have sent an E-mail direct to this poster asking for more info so he may make a logical decision.. but UR comment is just plain WRONG! Please do some real research on your own and try it for yourself, with REAL product, 32 years of doing this tells me I know it DOES matter!

Only thing that really matters is the right gauge. I would never pay more then a $1 a foot for speaker wire. Oh,watch the blood pressure.

 

[BMXTRIX]

Need some decent 12 gauge wire to hook it all up that sounds almost identical to the best wire in the world? Try some electric wire from Home Depot - yes, the same stuff that's hooked to your light switches. Actually, your light switches are probably using 14 gauge wire. 12 gauge electrical wire is rated to 1920 watts of power - think that's enough?

Seriously, if anyone here can determine in blind tests the difference between 12 gauge electrical wire and the top of the line Monster, Belden, or Straight Wire then I would be very, very surprised. Likewise, the difference between blister pack audio interconnect cables and top dollar interconnects.

For your A/V receiver needs...

How many zones of audio do you plan to run off the receiver? Just one, or do you have multiple rooms you are planning to set up?

If your goal is just to have one room that sounds really, really good, then I would take a step back and take a long hard look at buying a separate A/V preamp and a good 5 - 7 channel amplifier. I got the Yamaha RX-Z1 and am very happy with it, but if I had more money I think I would have gone separates.

Otherwise, in my opinion, you can't go wrong with whichever you choose. Yamaha has an excellent product, as does Denon. They both sound great and work well. Neither, that I have heard of, have major reliability issues that people are complaining about. So, whichever you choose, is fine and you will be happy with.

But, be ready for upgraditis when you start looking at separates.

 

[3db]

My 2 cents

IF your going to lay down that kinda money, go into seperates. Six large ones will buy you some very nice seprates that will sonically eat the other two for breakfast. Seperates may not have all the toys, bells and whistles as the Yammy or the Deonon but seperates will be sonically a better performer. If featurs are important, than by all means go with either one as they are solid performers.

As for the wire, don't jump on this absurd badwagon and go for this highend speaker wire BS. Just get good quality 12 gauge speaker wire from Radio Shack or even Walmart (Saw phillips 12 gauge wire packagae for a good price) . This boutique stuff doesn't have a leg to stand on and most people who swear by it always shy away from the double bilnd tests which in itself speaks volumes Good luck and have fun

 

[3db]

speaker wire

Dude?? What the hell are U thinking? Speaker wire from RS or HD? Get a Clue!
Would U put re-tread tires on a Maserati?? Of coarse NOT! Have U ever read
ANY of the speaker cable reviews on this site or in The absolute Sound or Stereophile magazine..I cant believe how Stupid a comment that is to anyone
who has spent any amount of time in this business! I sell both the Denon 5805 and the Z-9 and U better believe that the science of cables, interconnects and line conditioning makes a HUGE difference in performance! Does it have to be the "Monster" brand? NO.. and I agree there is a point of diminishing returns.. But both receivers will shut down a 15 amp circuit in a heartbeat with what UR suggesting and I know I've done it! Do amplifiers sound different? of coarse they do.. These two units are excellent but yes they are different in the way they sound and react to different speaker loads.
I have sent an E-mail direct to this poster asking for more info so he may make a logical decision.. but UR comment is just plain WRONG! Please do some real research on your own and try it for yourself, with REAL product, 32 years of doing this tells me I know it DOES matter!

I believe 12 gauge wire was mentioned. If it was thinnerr, then the speaker just wouldnt get the full potential across its terminal due to higher resistance. Secondally, there is no scientific proof that higher end cables are better. Thirdly, it matters to your bottom line only because of all equipent sold in an audio stores, none has a higher mark-up than speaker wire. Thats the way I see it

 

[gene]

IF your going to lay down that kinda money, go into seperates. Six large ones will buy you some very nice seprates that will sonically eat the other two for breakfast.

Of course you are stating this as your opinion right? The old mentality of Separates automatically outperforming todays flagship receivers is yet another audio myth we will bust. Stay tuned for my 40 page review of the Denon AVR-5805 coming very soon!

 

[Takeereasy]

Only 40 pages?!! Quit slacking, what do you think we pay membership fees for.... Oh right.

 

[Nick250]

Dude?? What the hell are U thinking? Speaker wire from RS or HD? Get a Clue!
Would U put re-tread tires on a Maserati?? Of coarse NOT! Have U ever read
ANY of the speaker cable reviews on this site or in The absolute Sound or Stereophile magazine..I cant believe how Stupid a comment that is to anyone
who has spent any amount of time in this business! I sell both the Denon 5805 and the Z-9 and U better believe that the science of cables, interconnects and line conditioning makes a HUGE difference in performance! Does it have to be the "Monster" brand? NO.. and I agree there is a point of diminishing returns.. But both receivers will shut down a 15 amp circuit in a heartbeat with what UR suggesting and I know I've done it! Do amplifiers sound different? of coarse they do.. These two units are excellent but yes they are different in the way they sound and react to different speaker loads.
I have sent an E-mail direct to this poster asking for more info so he may make a logical decision.. but UR comment is just plain WRONG! Please do some real research on your own and try it for yourself, with REAL product, 32 years of doing this tells me I know it DOES matter!

Wow, I am almost speechless.

"the science of cables, interconnects and line conditioning makes a HUGE difference in performance!"

Not much science in the expensive cables and interconnects from where I sit.

 

[gene]

what do you think we pay membership fees for.... Oh right.

Yeah right, we can't even get our readers to buy quality Audioholics Apparel which on average have a $2 profit margin

 

[MacManNM]

Of course you are stating this as your opinion right? The old mentality of Separates automatically outperforming todays flagship receivers is yet another audio myth we will bust. Stay tuned for my 40 page review of the Denon AVR-5805 coming very soon!

So you are saying that the 5805 would perform as good or better than say, a 3805 using the pre-outs into 4 Adcom GFA-555's? I find that very hard to believe.

 

[gene]

There is more to performance than just sheer power. As far as power goes, the amps in the 5805 will deliver everything a 15A wall outlet can deliver!

The preamp section of the 3805 isn't in the same league as the 5805, nor is the room correction system of the former.

 

[Tom Andry]

Yeah right, we can't even get our readers to buy quality Audioholics Apparel which on average have a $2 profit margin

Once my wife gets over the 3k+ worth of equipment I bought last month, I'm all over a couple of audioholics shirts

 

[3db]

Waiting for it

Of course you are stating this as your opinion right? The old mentality of Separates automatically outperforming todays flagship receivers is yet another audio myth we will bust. Stay tuned for my 40 page review of the Denon AVR-5805 coming very soon!

Will look forward to the read but still very skeppy on the performance issue. You are correct on this being my opinion but from all the reading I've done on reviews pitting the lower priced seperates (such as Outlaws'7100 against the like es of Denons3805 etc, the seperates were still favoured.

 

[flyv65]

Of course you are stating this as your opinion right? The old mentality of Separates automatically outperforming todays flagship receivers is yet another audio myth we will bust.

Actually, I was going to say "you might want to consider separates as well as the receivers", but it sounds like you're calling into question that recommendation. I look forward to your review, Gene: but I still would contend that separates afford you the greatest choice in amplification, no?

Bryan...lack of watts for multi-channel are my only complaint w/ the 3805...

 

[MacManNM]

There is more to performance than just sheer power. As far as power goes, the amps in the 5805 will deliver everything a 15A wall outlet can deliver!

The preamp section of the 3805 isn't in the same league as the 5805, nor is the room correction system of the former.

I am talking about power; I used the 3805 as an example, there are much better choices out there for a preamp-processor. I speculate that the 5805 will not be able to put out more than 500 watts simultaneously into any amount of channels. Now, I’m not saying it’s not a good unit, all I’m saying is that it is limited to one 15A outlet, thus it could not put out clean power like separates. Unless of course you plug all the separates into one Wal-Mart plug strip.

 

[shokhead]

Actually, I was going to say "you might want to consider separates as well as the receivers", but it sounds like you're calling into question that recommendation. I look forward to your review, Gene: but I still would contend that separates afford you the greatest choice in amplification, no?

Bryan...lack of watts for multi-channel are my only complaint w/ the 3805...

Lack of watts for MC are my only complaint w/ the 3805? Got to explain that.