Denon 2805 - No on screen display- help!!!

[Muskrat]

Hello to all, looking for some help.
Just hooked up the Denon 2805 and cannot get the on screen display on the TV. My TV is a Mits 55807 16x9 ( 1080I/480P - does not do 720P). I have a samsung HD tuner, Tosh dvd and Mits VCR connected to the amp with one component cable out to the TV.
When I make any adjustments in the setup or press the on screen display I see a black screen with distortion bars running across the screen. A few times I saw a screen display pop up but it went off immediately and looked like large lettering.
Any ideas what is wrong and is it possible to do the speaker setup without being able to see the on screen display (I did not see the results on the unit itself).
Thanks for your help

Frank

 

[BMXTRIX]

Frank,

Do you have the outputs of the receiver going into your TV strictly via component, or do you have a composite or s-video connection in place as well? There is some tricky info at the back of the manual about setup displays it provides when on component.

What it doesn't have is any useful information on what 'video conversion' means. Does it convert everything to 480p, 720p, 1080i, or just component with no video change? (480i over component) What format are the on-screen menus in from the component output? I would guess that they may just be 480i.

If that's the case, and your TV doesn't accept anything but 480p and 1080i on the component input, then you must use your s-video or composite video input on your TV to do your audio setup with on screen displays.

I have a beef with any television that can't accept 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i on component inputs. You most definitely are losing out when you can't see all ATSC standard material via component cables.

 

[Duffinator]

BMXTRIX, Most of the early RP-HDTV's do not display a 720P picture. That's the price we paid as early adoptors of HD. Sure we'd like to have 720P but it simply wasn't an option four years ago.

I have the 3805 and there is no scaling or upconversion to 1080i or 720P going on in either of these receivers. They are simply converting a composite or S-video signal into a component signal for transportation across a component cable.

Frank, Like BMXTRIX said only use your component connection and disconnect composite or S-video if you have them connected. Next I'd try using your other component input on the back of your TV. This probably won't do anything but it's worth a shot. And double check your input setup and make sure you have all inputs set correctly.

A side note here is the setup menus will work with a component input switched through your receiver but it blacks out the screen like you stated. The volume and basic OSD will not display when you are viewing a component input switched through your receiver.

 

[quadlog]

I have component from my 2805 receiver to the TV. All my video inputs (TV (Svideo), dvd (component), xbox (component), vcr (composite), PS2 and Gamecube (Svideo) go intot the 2805.

I can only see the OSD while selecting the TV or the ps2/gc svideo input.

Yup...no upconversion but that's fine.

 

[BMXTRIX]

BMXTRIX, Most of the early RP-HDTV's do not display a 720P picture. That's the price we paid as early adoptors of HD. Sure we'd like to have 720P but it simply wasn't an option four years ago.

Yes, I agree - four years ago...

So why does it still show the component inputs on Mitsubishi's website as 480i, 480p, and 1080i compatible only?

That's GOT to be a typo right?

Otherwise, I don't know how many unsuspecting sucker.. I mean, customers may buy an HDTV compatible set, that only is partway compatible with ATSC standards. Just a warning to those who may spend several grand on a CRT rear projection unit only to be potentially disappointed down the line.

 

[20to20K]

Also check to see if you're in "Pure Direct" mode. I don't think the display will
show unless you are out of it.

 

[Duffinator]

So why does it still show the component inputs on Mitsubishi's website as 480i, 480p, and 1080i compatible only?

That's GOT to be a typo right?

Otherwise, I don't know how many unsuspecting sucker.. I mean, customers may buy an HDTV compatible set, that only is partway compatible with ATSC standards. Just a warning to those who may spend several grand on a CRT rear projection unit only to be potentially disappointed down the line.

I don't think it's a typo, they don't display 720P. I have a Toshiba 56H80 that's 4 years old. I thought the newer RPTV's did display 720P but after doing a little bit of research neither Mitsubishi or Toshiba sets display 720P. Bummer. I recently viewed the Mitshbishi 55" Diamond and the picture quality was outstanding. No 720P is a concern. At this point in time I'm waiting for 1080P display's. I'll be happy when we have 1080P DVD players and displays to view them on

For me I'm not too sensitive to interlace vs. progressive scan images. While in theory a progressive scan picture will display twice the information at one time for the same resolution compared to an interlaced picture in practice it does not look that way (it is clearly better but twice as good?). Even if that holds true a 1920x1080 image has over twice the information of a 1280x720 image. This can be debated until Hell freezes over, which it did for the Eagles, but I'm just saying it's really not an issue for me.

 

[Muskrat]

RE: Denon 2805 - On Screen display

FYI,
The on screen display defaults to s-video. It doesn't work through component out.

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I guess I will connect an S-video cable to the TV and see if it works.
Thanks for the help.

 

[Nomo]

I don't think it's a typo, they don't display 720P. I have a Toshiba 56H80 that's 4 years old. I thought the newer RPTV's did display 720P but after doing a little bit of research neither Mitsubishi or Toshiba sets display 720P. Bummer. I recently viewed the Mitshbishi 55" Diamond and the picture quality was outstanding. No 720P is a concern. At this point in time I'm waiting for 1080P display's. I'll be happy when we have 1080P DVD players and displays to view them on

My Toshiba 57H83 will display 720p but only in it's natural proportion. The ability to alter the display from 3:4 to 9:16 or something in between is blocked. Same with 1080i.

1080p? Don't hold your breath. The networks are still having a tough time getting a standard quality HD signal. Let alone a standard format. The 2006 standardization point is still a long ways off.

 

[Duffinator]

My Toshiba 57H83 will display 720p but only in it's natural proportion. The ability to alter the display from 3:4 to 9:16 or something in between is blocked. Same with 1080i.

1080p? Don't hold your breath. The networks are still having a tough time getting a standard quality HD signal. Let alone a standard format. The 2006 standardization point is still a long ways off.

I don't need to hold my breath. The Samsung 46" and Sharp 45" LCD's that are currently available display 1080P, it's the displays native resolution meaning everything gets converted to 1080P through their internal scalers. HD-DVD will be here by this time next year outputing a 1080P image.

I thought the newer Toshiba's displayed 720P but I couldn't find anything on it. I'm surprised the Mitsubushi's don't. If anybody knows to the contrary please post.

 

[vividere]

I had a strange experience....

I just bought a 2805 a few days ago to replace a dying Sony that will be repaired under extended warranty.

Before I tried the DVD player or satellite receiver, I turned on my Mitsubishi 55807 and the 2805. Grabbed the remote and OSD and setup and up popped the setup...I ONLY had component connection to the 55807 at that point.

I did the speaker setup, tuner auto setup, etc...completed the whole process. Then I viewed something on my satellite receiver at 1080i. Then I made some speaker changes and wanted to run setup again. No matter what I tried I was unable to view setup again. I had to install a S-video cable and change the input on the Mitsubishi to the S-Video connector and then the OSD and Setup worked.

How could it work before and not again?

I have a theory that when the monitor and receiver first hooked up they were in a compatible mode and after switching to 1080 I was unable to go back to the previous mode that allowed setup to work?

Thoughts??

Lew

 

[Duffinator]

I did the speaker setup, tuner auto setup, etc...completed the whole process. Then I viewed something on my satellite receiver at 1080i. Then I made some speaker changes and wanted to run setup again. No matter what I tried I was unable to view setup again. I had to install a S-video cable and change the input on the Mitsubishi to the S-Video connector and then the OSD and Setup worked.

How could it work before and not again?

I have a theory that when the monitor and receiver first hooked up they were in a compatible mode and after switching to 1080 I was unable to go back to the previous mode that allowed setup to work?

Thoughts??

Lew

While watching a component source into your receiver you will not see the basic OSD like volume and audio/video mode on the component output. When you go into the setup mode with this configuration the picture will be blacked out and the setup OSD will be visible. If it is not then you may have a problem and should contact Denon customer service. This is confusing and frustrating but other receivers in this price range do the same thing. Bottom line is while the receiver will output all video sources on your component output the OSD will not be visible in the same manner as using the s-video or composite outputs.

 

[vividere]

Just like the other person said, when going into OSD SETUP mode (even if NOT watching something else) I get the same skewed letters on the screen..you can see that white text is being displayed on the screen, but it isn't being sent at a display rate that it can be viewed.

Both of us had the same setup viewing experience and it seems the only answer is to give it a S-video source to send the OSD data on.

The manual clearly states that it gives S-Video output priority, but it doesn't say exclusivety.

Lew

 

[JurisFrog]

I had emailed Denon with the same problem, and this was the response received:

The On Screen Display (OSD) of the 2805 is ALWAYS a 480i (Interlaced) signal. This is not compatible with any other format such as 720p.

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We do allow our OSD to go out the component video jacks, but only in cases where the INPUT source is NOT component. *The moment you select an INPUT source that is connected in via component, we purposely BLOCK the OSD to prevent degrading the video going through the receiver.

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If you select an input source which is coming in via S-Video or composite (yellow), THEN we will overlay our OSD onto these compatible video signals and route the result—with OSD—to the component MONITOR output jacks of the receiver.



When you go into the SETUP menus for the receiver, we override (block) the incoming video (if any) and WILL OUTPUT the MENUS via the component jacks. This signal is still a 480i format video overlay.

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It is then up to the TV to determine if it will read this signal from its component jacks and display it. Most will?some will*not. That is an issue of the TV itself and differs from model to model.


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Thanks to Denon for giving a very detailed answer.