Creating a sub-$700 bookshelf audition list

Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
ERA is impressive given their size, but they can't compete with similarly priced competition from Paradigm, B&W and many other manufacturers (this is assuming accuracy is of importance)

I'm surprised to see that upper end Paradigm offerings weren't on your list. The Studio 20s might still be worth consideration. It's going to be tough to find an out of the box speaker that will perform as well as the Studio 20s. B&Ws is also quite good, I really like the 600 series speakers.
 
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phildoc

Audioholic Intern
The 2.6 is an awesome speaker (and is frequently what I recommend looking for 500ish bookshelves that don't mind used) but the 2.6p is no slouch either and is cheaper. The bottom end wont be quite as flat due to being unpowered but other than that they're identical and with a subwoofer you would be EXTREMELY hard pressed to tell the difference between the two.

Plus you don't have to deal with potentially wonky older Infinity electronics, which I've had the displeasure of doing.

I haven't listen to the 2.6p's and I've not seen any reviews, but from the few posts I've read people seem to like them and I'm sure they sound very similar to the 2.6's in many respects. There's only about 10Hz difference in each speakers rated low end. The 2.6p going down to 50Hz and the 2.6 at 40Hz. So in that respect you're probably not missing that much, but I would think the 2.6 would have a noticable increase in authority to it bass.

If you have a musical subwoofer, you may not notice that much. On the other hand, if you consider that the crossover for the 2.6 is set at 2800Hz, quite a bit of low end and mids are handled by the powered woofer of the 2.6. For that reason I would recommend the 2.6. Esp for the front end and you're main concern is music. The other thing that's nice about the 2.6 is that you can get by without a sub if you dont want one or cant afford one. For a surround the 2.6p might be a better option, but I've rarely seen anyone talk about them or have them for sale.

Sorry for your trouble with the amp. I've read a few of your posts and I seem to remember you picking up the 1.2S. Great sub. Hopefully you were able to get it fixed without much hassle. I've been lucky with mine. I've yet to have any amp problems. Knock on wood, lol. I've had my IL60s for over 5yrs now without problems.
 
Soundman

Soundman

Audioholic Field Marshall
Sadly, I would have to travel out of state to hear some Ushers.
What a shame. I know a dealer about 45 minutes away. About 75% of his business is Usher. If you are ever in the area, check them out.
 
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NicolasKL

Full Audioholic
but I would think the 2.6 would have a noticable increase in authority to it bass.
It does, below 50 Hz. Flat is flat, I don't think you're going to notice any difference in the authority of the bass above 60 Hz or so. In fact if you look around there are people that prefer the sound of the passives over the actives ( http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/speakers-subwoofers/152832-infinity-intermezzo-2-6-a.html ). I don't, I think they're too close to call and there might have been other factors that influences those peoples impressions, but...

The other thing that's nice about the 2.6 is that you can get by without a sub if you dont want one or cant afford one.
You're certainly slightly more able to get by without a sub (which is one of the reasons I specifically recommend the 2.6 to people that can't or won't go with a sub) but of course really you still need one. Going permanently subless (or maybe if you're planning on powering them with a tube amp or something else that is very low power) is really the only time I'd recommend the 2.6 over the 2.6p. Otherwise I think the value of the powered woofer is almost entirely eliminated by having a subwoofer and the fact that you don't have to deal with old Infinity electronics, don't have to worry about power cords if you end up using them for surrounds (which is what I use mine for), and the fact that they're cheaper, handily tips the scale in the 2.6ps favor.

Sorry for your trouble with the amp. I've read a few of your posts and I seem to remember you picking up the 1.2S. Great sub. Hopefully you were able to get it fixed without much hassle.
The 1.2s has actually been fine, it was the amp for one of the powered woofers in the 4.1ts that's given me problems. Twice. Although the second time it was because it wasn't repaired correctly the first time. And now the amp in the 3.5c is being wonky. Whenever there's a power outage it wont turn back on unless I just leave it plugged in and powered off for 3 days or so. I'll get it fixed sooner or later (hopefully), probably when I live in the lower 48 and won't have to pay 200+ for two way shipping. But it is annoying. It's off right now in fact due to a power outage a week ago. Every time it happens I think maybe this time it wont ever power on again, we'll see.

I think potential problems requiring not too expensive fixes (sub repair was ~170 or so IIRC) is not a bad price of admission for the 4.1ts (and the 3.5c) because they're very impressive speakers. But with the 2.6 you have the option to eliminate the those potential problems, and since the advantages of the 2.6 over the 2.6p are IMO minimal (or potentially non-existent), I'd go the other way.

Either way though, you're getting an amazing sounding speaker for a bargain basement price. I bought my 2.6ps at the same time as my 4.1ts but the 2.6ps showed up first and when I hooked them up and compared them to the B&W 602 S3s that they were replacing I was very, very impressed.

Just my two cents :). (okay, more like $1.25)
 
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NicolasKL

Full Audioholic
I've had my IL60s for over 5yrs now without problems.
Do you run them off speaker wire only and let the internal crossovers sort everything out or do you run the subs off a sub out? I'm almost positive the problem with my 4.1t was caused by the use of the speaker level inputs and it wouldn't have happened using the sub inputs. It may be a problem specific to the Intermezzo line also though. I've definitely read enough accounts of problems to think that there's some issues with the design/parts and it's not just my bad luck though.
 
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bjohnson00

Audiophyte
I'm surprised to see that upper end Paradigm offerings weren't on your list. The Studio 20s might still be worth consideration. It's going to be tough to find an out of the box speaker that will perform as well as the Studio 20s. B&Ws is also quite good, I really like the 600 series speakers.
I actually found another store where I could do a direct A/B comparison between the B&W 685s and the Paradigm Studio 20s. I actually preferred the B&Ws for classical and jazz music, while I thought the Studio 20s where better for Rock. I ended up purchasing a pair of B&W 685s and an Onkyo TX-SR706. Just got it all set up tonight, actually.

So far, I am really enjoying the sound in my apartment. I am having one problem, though. After running Onkyo's auto-setup routine, only two listening modes are available when connected to a Dolby Digital 5.1 source. The Onkyo only lets me select "mono" or "theater-dimension". Is this all that is supposed to be available in 2 channel systems?
 
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bjohnson00

Audiophyte
Picture of my new setup



Finally got all the pieces together. I went with some B&W 685s and an Onkyo TX-SR706 receiver.
 
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roll - gybe

Junior Audioholic
Nice set up!

Just to keep the thread going, I will be the 3rd endorser of era D4s.
They are really sweet. They aren't as deep as my floorstanders, but they are deep. They sound great though. You can feel the little guys pump air and sound.

Now Seth, I would be interested to hear you points on the era D4... I am actually thinking about getting a second pair, but I am open to options.
 

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