Crazy Sister / Help me out!

MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
Hey, I need some advice. :)

My sister has had problems with work, so, my dad and I have been helping her with money. She has a new job now, but, it doesn't pay enough for her to live the way she is used to. So, we are still helping her out. But, she is pretty selfish and when she comes over she only talks about her new job and both my dad and I have gotten pretty sick of it. She gets mad that we don't say how great her new job is... but, its just kinda hard to get too excited about it since we have to still pay for most her stuff.

It's what family does, but, my dad is moving out of his house because he is doing some work on it, so I've been helping him prepare to move. He asked her to come over and help and she has avoided it and recently just said "no, I'm busy." So, we only get calls when its for money.

Anyone else had a family member like this?

I'm kinda stuck because on one hand I want to help, but on the other in return she could help my old man and not be so selfish and just talk about herself all the time.

She is older than me (I'm 23, she is 28), but, still can't figure out a budget for herself, how to do basic things like buy a car, or insurance, etc. Everything is done by either my dad or I. I feel like we kinda created a monster because she hasn't really had to do anything on her own.

Both of us are pretty fed up, but, its fam' ..ya know?!

Sorry for the long post, just had to vent. Any advice would be appreciated.... :(
 
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mudrummer99

Senior Audioholic
I feel your pain. I have a brother quite similar to this, except one more kicker, he has a little girl. Hasn't held a job down for more that 4 months in at least the last 7 or 8 years. It was hard for us, but I concur with Dave, you have to cut her loose and let her figure it out for herself, otherwise she won't. Hope this helps your situation.

Mike
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
Tough love.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_love

Cut her loose and force her to fly.
Yeah, its just hard though because on one hand I want her to learn, but on the other I don't want her to have to move into a not-so-safe building or drive a car that isn't safe.

Plus I'm honestly not sure if she is capable of learning. We've had to bail her out of credit card debt before, help pay a lot of bills, help her with a DUI, paid a bunch of bills because she let her health insurance lapse, etc etc.

I admit that my dad and I aren't exaclty the most smooth when it comes to "feelings" and "emotional" stuff, so, sometimes we don't say the right thing. She goes through lots of friends, so we don't always remember their names or don't get that excited when she invites them along to family dinners and such. We should probably be more supportive with that stuff, but, man, I can't keep track of the names... erin, nancy, this girl, that girl...she has a new best friend every month!

I feel your pain. I have a brother quite similar to this, except one more kicker, he has a little girl. Hasn't held a job down for more that 4 months in at least the last 7 or 8 years. It was hard for us, but I concur with Dave, you have to cut her loose and let her figure it out for herself, otherwise she won't. Hope this helps your situation.

Mike

Glad I'm not alone... we are thankful she hasn't had any kids.. even my mom says my sister is too selfish to have kids. It would be really bad.
 
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brkbeatsci

Audiophyte
My .02, Family does what it has to to help each other out. That being said, the way it's always been in my family is that if you can't support your lifestyle, get another lifestyle. Have you came flat out and mentioned any of what you're saying here to her? Maybe she's oblivious.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I had a brother-in-law like that when I was married to my first wife, who was the only girl in the family.

He charmed his mother and my sister to the point that it was a major cause of our divorce.

His dad, my Brothers-in law, and I all said to let him do it for himself. He was already famous for scamming anyone who let him get close.

When his parents left Jersey to move to Las Vegas, he quit high school,went into the naval reserves. He had so many infractions that what should have taken around seven months to complete wound up taking over a year.

As I predicted, he whined to his sister (my wife) to come live with us when he got out. Between my wife and his mom, I was forced to accept the situation, but I made one stipulation that made them both grudgingly accept:

I would give him six months. If he was working or going to school to better himself, I would consider extending his stay. If not, out he goes.

I wrote this up and had them sign it, with the brothers-in-law as signing witnesses. It was cold in that house, let me tell you.

As I suspected, when he got out, he scammed everyone he came into contact with, My wife talked one of her friends into selling him a $600 hoopty at $50/week but he made one payment, when he picked it up. I refused to get between my wife and her friend and wouldn't lie to her. Whenever she called asking when he was gonna pay her, I simply said to talk to either him or my wife.

He was accepting collect calls from friends all over the country.

He had scurrilous looking types knocking at our door at all hours of the day and night wanting to talk to him. It's a good thing my neighbor (good guy) was a local cop and there was always someone there within minutes of calling the precinct.

That finally stopped when I made my wife start answering the door. Boy, was she pissed at me for making her do that!

All this time he was getting letters from the navy. I started opening them. (hey, I opened them by accident. :D) It seems that he never showed up at any meetings or week-end "camp-outs". They were putting him on active status.

About five 1/2 months into the agreement, my father-in-law died. He used this for a sympathy play with my wife and MIL to stay longer. I brought up about the navy and he got a high-and-mighty about opening his mail (and my wife and MIL joined him).

I said, point blank, in front of them "When are you going back to the navy or getting out of my house". My wife glared at me and I said it's about time you choose between your brother or me. She shut up real fast. My MIL started in and I said she should take him back to Vegas if she didn't like it. SOB BIL said he didn't want to go to Vegas and simply said he can get out.

So, he set a date, which was four weeks after the funeral, when he would go back to the navy. I said he could stay until he went back to the navy, no more. It was really, really cold in that house.

So, the day comes, my wife and mother-in-law take him to the navy and drop him off. It's real cold here now.

About a week goes by and I hear through the grapevine that scott is back in town. whatever.

That night, I hear a rattling at the back door. I call the cops. By now they knew my, my house, and my situation. They come and. lo and behold, it's little scotty trying to get in. I told him I changed the locks and he started calling me every name in the book and said he had no place to go. I explained, calmly, that he could stay until he went back to the navy. He said that they discharged him. I said too bad, I lived up to my end of the bargain. Once he went back to the navy, my obligations to him ended.

I said I wouldn't press charges but that he should leave immediately.

My wife didn't say a word. She didn't have to. We both knew where this was going.

After we divorced, I heard from my other brothers-in-law (we're still friends) that scott was found at the bottom of several flights of stairs in a bad part of town, dead with a broken neck. Nobody knows if he fell or was pushed. Nobody cared.

Be careful what you're dealing with. Enabling a person does them no good.
 
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Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
Sensi,

Your life was sounding too perfect any way. Welcome to the human race. This is just how things are. Not everybody is a joy to behold and some people fall through the cracks. If they didn't; sorrow, frustration and anger wouldn't be words. Good luck and put that out. :)
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Yeah, its just hard though because on one hand I want her to learn, but on the other I don't want her to have to move into a not-so-safe building or drive a car that isn't safe.

Plus I'm honestly not sure if she is capable of learning. We've had to bail her out of credit card debt before, help pay a lot of bills, help her with a DUI, paid a bunch of bills because she let her health insurance lapse, etc etc.

I admit that my dad and I aren't exaclty the most smooth when it comes to "feelings" and "emotional" stuff, so, sometimes we don't say the right thing. She goes through lots of friends, so we don't always remember their names or don't get that excited when she invites them along to family dinners and such. We should probably be more supportive with that stuff, but, man, I can't keep track of the names... erin, nancy, this girl, that girl...she has a new best friend every month!

Glad I'm not alone... we are thankful she hasn't had any kids.. even my mom says my sister is too selfish to have kids. It would be really bad.
No, you are not alone but won't bore you.
Ask yourself and have your dad ask himself, what would happen to her if both of you were not able to help for whatever reason? While you are still young;), your dad is far from it, both of you are hurting your well being with such a sibling and daughter.
Tough love has to be considered or your lives will be like this for a long time, if not to the end.:eek:
 
STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

Audioholic Spartan
Sensi,

Tell her you can no longer help her with money but if she wants you'll be glad to help her with advice and decision making. (like you said, she is family after all.) Make sure you are totally honest with her if she does ask for your opinion. Make sure she knows ahead of time that you will be brutally honest and that it's because you don't want to hold back the truth just so she wont feel bad/mad. If she can't deal with this, walk away. It will be very hard but it is the right thing to do. You need to insure that she doesn't drag you down with her or at the minimum cost you alot money.

Help her help herself. Don't give her a fish. Teach her how to fish. My guess is that it's just immaturity that's getting in the way and not a lack of intelligence.

Beater cars don't have to be unsafe. I could find cheap reliable transportation tomorrow. It might be ugly and it might need work to be safe or reliable but thats what a good mechanic is for. Before you buy something have your mechanic check it out and give you an estimate on how much it will cost to make it reliable and safe.

As for living in an unsafe area??? I don't know enough about the area to give a suggestion.


Other than that..Marry her off.:eek::D (sorry, I couldn't resist)

It's tough...I know. I have a mentally ill brother that will ask for anything at anytime and it's always about him...He's not unintelligent but his illness makes it so he can't emotionally fit into society.

Good luck,
Doug
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
well, it seems like the resounding advice is to let her survive by herself.

so i would just like to add the "how"
basically, you are giving her X amount to survive now ...

tell her:
this month i will give you X amount
2nd month X amount -Y amount
3rd month X amount -Y amount -Z amount
until it's zero by the 6th month
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
Don't even get me started on my siblings. My sister is 45 and she thinks she's 25. She gets plastic surgery, bleaches her hair, and tries to wear the same clothes as my daughter. It's embarrassing and the worst part is, she really doesn't see it... at all.

My brother is the worst kind if irritant. He's a woes always me sorda guy, but with a chip on his shoulder, so he goes around feeling sorry for himself while being an *******.

Family's tough. I could start a whole other novel about my father in law. Hang in there. I have found that sometimes you really gotta rock the boat, singe some hairs, hurt some feelings, to make a point and to make a change.
 
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cvcgolf

Audioholic
And on the 6th month when she asks you to help her move just say "No, I'm to busy."
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Other than that..Marry her off.
I wasn't going to go that far, but I was going to offer to help out with a cage and a steady supply of food. I might be sick, but I'm not mean. :eek: :D

On a serious note, it's cool that you've both helped her so far. It's generous and caring of you. I agree that a change in her lifestyle would be to her benefit and yours, but it's great that she hasn't become one of so many that depend on the government instead of family.

I'd likely be doing and thinking the same things if it was a member of my family. We're pretty tight, and I'd do just about anything for them. Well, I won't drive to Phoenix to pick them up from the airport - there are limits. :) I'd sure do whatever it took to keep them fed and sheltered, though. Luckily, it hasn't ever come to that because I'm probably the least successful in my family.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
That is great you and your Dad are looking out for her. It sounds like she is just a bit on the spoiled side. ;);) Similarly, I have a younger brother that is EXACTLY the same way. He just refuses to grow up and accept responsibility. :confused::confused: Sadly, he is in jail as we speak and has been for a few years now. More specifically, my brother has been to prison twice, is a convicted felon, and is now in the state system. Personally, that would easily be more than enough for me to realize that positive changes need to be made. However, some people NEVER learn regardless of the circumstances. Hope your sis wises up before she becomes too dependent upon both you and your Dad. Good luck to all of you. :):) Perhaps, after reading this post your sis will decide to finally grow-up. :eek::eek:
 
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MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
Sensi,

Your life was sounding too perfect any way. Welcome to the human race. This is just how things are. Not everybody is a joy to behold and some people fall through the cracks. If they didn't; sorrow, frustration and anger wouldn't be words. Good luck and put that out. :)
Cheers man, appreciate the support! If I put it out my life wouldn't be perfect anymore. :D ;)


Sensi,

Tell her you can no longer help her with money but if she wants you'll be glad to help her with advice and decision making. (like you said, she is family after all.) Make sure you are totally honest with her if she does ask for your opinion. Make sure she knows ahead of time that you will be brutally honest and that it's because you don't want to hold back the truth just so she wont feel bad/mad. If she can't deal with this, walk away. It will be very hard but it is the right thing to do. You need to insure that she doesn't drag you down with her or at the minimum cost you alot money.

Help her help herself. Don't give her a fish. Teach her how to fish. My guess is that it's just immaturity that's getting in the way and not a lack of intelligence.

Beater cars don't have to be unsafe. I could find cheap reliable transportation tomorrow. It might be ugly and it might need work to be safe or reliable but thats what a good mechanic is for. Before you buy something have your mechanic check it out and give you an estimate on how much it will cost to make it reliable and safe.

As for living in an unsafe area??? I don't know enough about the area to give a suggestion.


Other than that..Marry her off.:eek::D (sorry, I couldn't resist)

It's tough...I know. I have a mentally ill brother that will ask for anything at anytime and it's always about him...He's not unintelligent but his illness makes it so he can't emotionally fit into society.

Good luck,
Doug
Haha, I wish I could marry her off. She was close I think, but, I think each guy eventually is like "it aint worth it!" haha. She really is pretty nuts.

I think my sister is bipolar, she has rapid moodswings and even takes medicine for it. But, she is always going to doctors, and, you can convince them to give you whatever you want... or if she tells them she is feeling a certain way or something they don't know her well enough to know she just likes drama ...so they give her stuff. She is on lamictal (s/p) and a bunch of other ****, like 250 bucks a month worth of drugs.

I don't even take aspirin, so, I haven't the slightest idea if any of the stuff works.

Don't even get me started on my siblings. My sister is 45 and she thinks she's 25. She gets plastic surgery, bleaches her hair, and tries to wear the same clothes as my daughter. It's embarrassing and the worst part is, she really doesn't see it... at all.

My brother is the worst kind if irritant. He's a woes always me sorda guy, but with a chip on his shoulder, so he goes around feeling sorry for himself while being an *******.

Family's tough. I could start a whole other novel about my father in law. Hang in there. I have found that sometimes you really gotta rock the boat, singe some hairs, hurt some feelings, to make a point and to make a change.
Thanks man. Yeah, I just wish my sister was a big sister rather than a little sister, considering she is 5 years to my senior. Like your sister, mine doesn't see it either. That's the hardest part... because we or anyone else tries to help her or give her some sound advice, she thinks she is being attacked and just doesn't see it.

And on the 6th month when she asks you to help her move just say "No, I'm to busy."
Haha.

I'm waiting for the call this week for more money. :(
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
BTW, thanks for all the comments everyone. Been kinda bummed about this tonight and my girlfriend is at the theater (not movie theater...actual "theater" ...:D) and dinner with her mum so I've been chillin on my own tonight.

That is great you and your Dad are looking out for her. It sounds like she is just a bit on the spoiled side. ;);) Similarly, I have a younger brother that is EXACTLY the same way. He just refuses to grow up and accept responsibility. :confused::confused: Sadly, he is in jail as we speak and has been for a few years now. More specifically, my brother has been to prison twice, is a convicted felon, and is now in the state system. Personally, that would easily be more than enough for me to realize that positive changes need to be made. However, some people NEVER learn regardless of the circumstances. Hope your sis wises up before she becomes too dependent upon both you and your Dad. Good luck to all of you. :):) Perhaps, after reading this post your sis will decide to finally grow-up. :eek::eek:
Yeah she is a bit spoiled, but, she wouldn't commit a crime (well, other than her DUI) so I think I'm safe with that (I aint paying for a criminal lawyer!!!)

Thats my fear though, that she'll never learn and that anything we do she'll just think is because we are being "hard on her."
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
BTW, thanks for all the comments everyone. Been kinda bummed about this tonight and my girlfriend is at the theater (not movie theater...actual "theater" ...:D) and dinner with her mum so I've been chillin on my own tonight.



Yeah she is a bit spoiled, but, she wouldn't commit a crime (well, other than her DUI) so I think I'm safe with that (I aint paying for a criminal lawyer!!!)

Thats my fear though, that she'll never learn and that anything we do she'll just think is because we are being "hard on her."
Glad to hear she is not likely to commit any crimes. However, you are in a catch-22 in that dishing out tough-love may be taken(by her) as just merely being hard on her. Just remember that when you say something stick by it. If you don't, then your sis will never grow-up. My Mom used to tell me bro all the time "one more time" over and over again. In spite of her saying that, my bro just did as he always had in that NOTHING never changed. Just more of the same w/o any consequences. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Then, she wonders why he still is in jail. :confused::confused: I do wish the best for you and your family. Sounds like you are a great and caring brother. ;):);)

Cheers,

Phil
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
very familiar family trait within my own ,I am the youngest of five brothers and I have been on my own since the ripe old age of seventeen ,my son is 22 and off at LaSalle,I also have an older brother that had a difficult divorce from his insignificant other and could not get it together they sold their house and split up the profit and I dont know what the hell he did with his share but he has been borrowing monies ever since and not only that ,at his freaking age he had to move in with our parents for a few weeks ,its been a **%%!!ing year pal grow up.Get back on your feet already these siblings of ours dont get it as long as we help them they will relapse and never get back in the game,so no more help is how I see it just cut off all financial aid,they must get used to a new lifestyle.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
That describes both my brothers one is 40 the other 33. Both have kids with whomever they were dating (wasn't planned). They are never in a good position, they won't maintain car insurance, they won't get an education (formal or alternative). They both lived at home until my parents booted them out. When they did, they only moved ~1 mile away from my parents.

My younger brother still brings his laundry over. Do you think he ever offers to buy detergent, softener? Nope.

What it comes down to is that your sister, and my brothers are basically in it for themselves. My brothers un-expected children? Couldn't be bothered to think about birth control. What the hell, get some nooky when you want nooky (want what the want when they want it) damn the consequences. Now they dump my nieces and nephews off (with out notice a lot of times) on my parents:rolleyes:

It has taken me years to come to terms with my brothers and what is really going on:

The fact that it's easier to take advantage of blood relatives than friends or strangers. The fact that your sister has figured this out and does it without any shred of moral hesitation should tell you everything you need to know.

Cut her off cold. If she was going to 'figure out' life, she would have done it by now. You are not your sisters keeper.
 
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