Costco TV's/Return Policy News

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gcmarshall

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[NOTE: Editorial with details is here]

Since this article pertains almost entirely to TV's, and since many of us are interested in places to buy our fancy flat panels, i thought this would be of general interest to most forum participants.


It's hard to believe someone actually thought Costco had a "free TV upgrade policy" (see below), but I guess "there is one born every minute", to say it nicely.

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Costco tightens its return policy
'A few jerks' prompt retailer to alter rules on electronics

By CRAIG HARRIS
P-I REPORTER

Costco Wholesale Corp.'s liberal return policy on most consumer electronic products is being reined in.

The Issaquah-based retailer has begun limiting money-back returns on TVs, computers, cameras, camcorders, iPods, MP3 players and cell phones to 90 days. Previously, there was no time limit except for personal computers, which was six months.

The change went into effect Monday in Costco's 109 California stores and begins March 12 in all 27 Washington stores. The company has more than 500 U.S. stores.

The policy also will begin in other West Coast states on March 12 and then move through the country until all U.S. and Puerto Rico stores adopt the 90-day return policy by April 2, Chief Financial Officer Richard Galanti said.

The cash-and-carry retailer will provide a free two-year warranty for TVs and computers as part of the policy change. Electronics goods purchased before the new 90-day policy goes into effect can be returned at any time.

"If we are going to make a change, we want to make it the best policy out there," Galanti told the Seattle P-I.

The change was implemented because the company was losing "tens of millions of dollars" in returns, Galanti said. He declined to specify the losses.

JP Morgan Securities analyst Charles Grom estimates that returns of consumer electronics pared 8 cents a share from Costco's earnings last year, when Costco reported earnings of $2.30 a share.

Returns of consumer electronics -- flat-panel televisions, in particular -- put a squeeze on Costco's profit margins in its latest fiscal year. Costco has posted strong sales of the TVs -- including a 50 percent rise in November at stores open for at least a year -- but it has seen many come back to its stores as customers encountered difficulty installing them at home.



Galanti said some Costco members would buy big-screen TVs and then return them months later, when newer, and less expensive models went on sale. He said the practice had become so prevalent one member recently wrote the company saying she was disappointed because she had heard Costco was going to stop its "free TV upgrade policy."

Galanti said Costco never had such a policy.

Edward Weller, an analyst with ThinkEquity Partners in San Francisco, said the change would help the company's bottom line.

"While the policy is far more restrictive than before, it is far more liberal than anybody else in retail," Weller said. "People had been returning TVs they had bought for $2,000 last year and turning around and buying the same TV for $1,200. This is patently abusive, but Costco didn't want to change the rules for everybody just because a few jerks were, essentially, stealing."

"One of the things that has been an issue from shareholders is controlling the cost of electronics returns," Galanti said. "We went from a policy that might have been abused."

The new two-year warranty is not in addition to any manufacturer's warranty, Galanti said. For example, if a computer company provides a warranty for six months, then Costco will cover the warranty for the next 18 months.

"Warranty does not mean we will replace it if it's run over by your car," Galanti said.

This report includes information from the Associated Press. P-I reporter Craig Harris can be reached at 206-448-8138 or craigharris@seattlepi.com
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Can't say that I blame them. They deserve to make a fair profit.

With the prices on TV sets dropping faster than a parachutist whose ripcord broke, people could trade in their current set, get their $$ back, buy the same set, and walk out with cash in their pockets.

I bought a TV in October for $880. That same TV today is available for $780 from the same place.
 
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BabelFish

Full Audioholic
oh man that horrible!!! :( that is where I buy most of my stuff from BECAUSE of the great return policy.. I knew it wouldn't last forever...

It is abusive to return something years later and repurchase it for cheaper... that is lame..

but it WAS nice to be able to buy something with the piece of mind that if you started having problems with it (say a treadmill) 5 years out... that you could return it.. (treadmills should last over 10 years!!)...
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
It is abusive to return something years later and repurchase it for cheaper... that is lame..
That is likely the reason for the change in policy. With the old policy you could keep a purchase for years and then just on a whim return it for something diffferent.
 
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gcmarshall

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they still provide a Costco "2 year warranty". so, if your product comes with a 1 year manufacturer wrrty, Costco will cover it for another year. that is still pretty darn good.

they were getting abused with the previous "return it whenever for any reason" policy. with this new policy, they still cover you for longer than any retailer i know of in the world, but they had to draw the line somewhere.

Costco is still a phenonemally managed public company. i expect their new policy will still be very attractive to customers. their CEO draws a relatively modest paycheck, compared to other CEO's of similarly sized companies. in years where he misses targets, he refuses bonuses. Costco is a still a great store with management that cares.
 
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gcmarshall

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they still provide a Costco "2 year warranty". so, if your product comes with a 1 year manufacturer wrrty, Costco will cover it for another year. that is still pretty darn good.

they were getting abused with the previous "return it whenever for any reason" policy. with this new policy, they still cover you for longer than any retailer i know of in the world, but they had to draw the line somewhere.

Costco is still a phenonemally managed public company. i expect their new policy will still be very attractive to customers. their CEO draws a relatively modest paycheck, compared to other CEO's of similarly sized companies. in years where he misses targets, he refuses bonuses. Costco is a still a great store with management that cares.
PS, i don't work for costco or have any business relationship with them whatsoever. i am in the investment business and happen to know their business model pretty well. they just strike me as a very well run company. i didn't mean for my post to sound like a TV ad for them.
 
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BabelFish

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Yeah Yeah.. we know you're really the CEO.. quite patting yourself on the back :)
 
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Geno

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I buy pretty much everything possible from Costco, including my last Panasonic plasma. I rarely ever find a better deal anywhere, and they stand behind everything they sell with no hassles. Seriously, what other store can you go to where you can buy, in the same cart, a car battery, a case of condoms, a bottle of Dom Perignon, new underwear, a 60-ounce jar of mayonnaise,and a 60" Plasma?
 
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gcmarshall

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I buy pretty much everything possible from Costco, including my last Panasonic plasma. I rarely ever find a better deal anywhere, and they stand behind everything they sell with no hassles. Seriously, what other store can you go to where you can buy, in the same cart, a car battery, a case of condoms, a bottle of Dom Perignon, new underwear, a 60-ounce jar of mayonnaise,and a 60" Plasma?
in the US, Costco is indeed a pioneer in this regard. i am sad to say, though, that there has been a store in france that has offered this kind of variety for well over 20 years - a store called Carrefour. it pains me to say that the french beat us to anything, but they did in fact beat us to the punch when it comes to one-stop-shopping. in the end however, we can still claim to have rescued the french from at least 3 major wars.
 
Geno

Geno

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in the US, Costco is indeed a pioneer in this regard. i am sad to say, though, that there has been a store in france that has offered this kind of variety for well over 20 years - a store called Carrefour. it pains me to say that the french beat us to anything, but they did in fact beat us to the punch when it comes to one-stop-shopping. in the end however, we can still claim to have rescued the french from at least 3 major wars.
Yeah, but I bet the help is real snotty:D
 
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naisphoo

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in the end however, we can still claim to have rescued the french from at least 3 major wars.[/QUOTE]

This is lame...what do the French have to do with the new Costco return policy?
??? Comprends pas!
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
ISeriously, what other store can you go to where you can buy, in the same cart, a car battery, a case of condoms, a bottle of Dom Perignon, new underwear, a 60-ounce jar of mayonnaise,and a 60" Plasma?
It sounds like you lead a very interesting life. :D
 
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gcmarshall

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in the end however, we can still claim to have rescued the french from at least 3 major wars.
This is lame...what do the French have to do with the new Costco return policy?
??? Comprends pas![/QUOTE]

Please try to read earlier posts a little more closely next time. I was comparing France's Carrefour to Costco. They are very similar companies and, thus, it is a highly relevant comparison. The comment about the wars was poking fun (at the truth). Comprends?
 
Jack Hammer

Jack Hammer

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in the end however, we can still claim to have rescued the french from at least 3 major wars.
Not to be the guy who sticks up for the French, but don't forget that without their help in the 1700's we probably wouldn't have been around in the same capacity to bail them out of those wars.:eek:

Jack
 
furrycute

furrycute

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Costco is a great company. I've been a member for over three years now. Many times, even though online retailers have lower prices (sometimes hundreds of dollars less), I still chose to I make my purchases at Costco because in the back of my mind I knew that if something were to go wrong, I would be covered.

In the last three years, I probably spent over $10K there on electronics purchases. I only made two returns, one for a Panasonic camera that I returned within a week, the pictures it took had way too much noise, and the second one was an IPod that stopped working after about two months.


Now with this change in policy, I don't know what to say.
 
WmAx

WmAx

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Costco is a great company. I've been a member for over three years now. Many times, even though online retailers have lower prices (sometimes hundreds of dollars less), I still chose to I make my purchases at Costco because in the back of my mind I knew that if something were to go wrong, I would be covered.

In the last three years, I probably spent over $10K there on electronics purchases. I only made two returns, one for a Panasonic camera that I returned within a week, the pictures it took had way too much noise, and the second one was an IPod that stopped working after about two months.


Now with this change in policy, I don't know what to say.
I have never had the fortune of purchasing from a Costco, since no local stores exist. But I had heard of the outstanding return policy. I can see them re-adopting this policy if the sales of the electronics at subject here lower by a substantial margin in a 6-12 month period following the change, or if they receive a massive number of complaints. Besides, an estimated $0.08 of $2.30 per share earning hardly seems like a business-breaking issue. It sounds like the cost of doing business. I suspect that basic customer services have a much higher cost.

You are an example of a customer that might decide to change purchase places based on raw price at this point. I guess in the end, this issue depends on just how many customers use Costco exclusively because of the former policy? Will they remain now that carrot is gone?(most name brand electronics of high cost have a 1 year warranty, and by using most credit cards for the purchase, that is automatically doubled to 2 years). I personally would not continue to use them based on what I can get by default with free extended CC warranty.

-Chris
 
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anonymouse99

Audiophyte
Sams Club has a slight edge in this business. They will let you bring back a tv under 2 scenarios based on what I found out from one of their folks:

1.Sams will warranty and accept returns upto 180 days from purchase - no questions asked

2. If you purchase their 3-year warranty, they will warranty the product for life - only catch - you can return the unit if it is truly defective or breaks down.

I just checked with a single individual - if anyone has first hand experience in this matter of dealing with Sams Club, please share it with us.
 

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