Christmas DIY for dad

TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I want to build my dad something cool for Christmas, he likes audio and needs some decent computer speakers.

I was thinking of this:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Munny-Speakers/
http://www.parts-express.com//pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-844

But looks semi-expensive. Any thoughts? Is there a poor mans approach to it?

I'd like to keep the budget under 100 bucks, but, if there is something amazing over that I'd spring for it.
Would these drivers be in budget?

Woofer

Tweeter

I think those drivers could be made to work together with a fairly simple inexpensive crossover, you would end up a little over a $100 with building material and crossover parts, but I think that is about as cheap as you will build a decent speaker.
 
J

jamie2112

Banned
Just get him the Behringer's unless you want to build it yourself.......:p:D:D
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
Would these drivers be in budget?

Woofer

Tweeter

I think those drivers could be made to work together with a fairly simple inexpensive crossover, you would end up a little over a $100 with building material and crossover parts, but I think that is about as cheap as you will build a decent speaker.
What sort of cabinet would you put that in?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
What sort of cabinet would you put that in?
This sort of box, and you get an F3 just below 50 Hz with a 0.5 cu. ft. box.

Name: Peerless PPB 830860
Type: Standard one-way driver
Company: Peerless (Denmark)
No. of Drivers = 1
Fs = 56.1 Hz
Qms = 2.41
Vas = 10.6 liters
Cms = 0.99 mm/N
Mms = 8.1 g
Rms = 1.189 kg/s
Xmax = 3.5 mm
Xmech = 5.25 mm
P-Dia = 105.1 mm
Sd = 88 sq.cm
P-Vd = 0.0304 liters
Qes = 0.5
Re = 5.7 ohms
Le = 0.6 mH
Z = 8 ohms
BL = 5.7 Tm
Pe = 40 watts
Qts = 0.41
no = 0.361 %
1-W SPL = 87.72 dB
2.83-V SPL = 88.3 dB
-----------------------------------------
Box Properties
Name:
Type: Vented Box
Shape: Prism, square (optimum)
Vb = 0.521 cu.ft
Fb = 45.84 Hz
QL = 7
F3 = 49.14 Hz
Fill = minimal
No. of Vents = 1
Vent shape = round
Vent ends = one flared
Dv = 2 in
Lv = 6.544 in

If your are really serious about it, I will model the crossover, but that is serious work and will not do it unless you are serious about building the speaker.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
This sort of box, and you get an F3 just below 50 Hz with a 0.5 cu. ft. box.

Name: Peerless PPB 830860
Type: Standard one-way driver
Company: Peerless (Denmark)
No. of Drivers = 1
Fs = 56.1 Hz
Qms = 2.41
Vas = 10.6 liters
Cms = 0.99 mm/N
Mms = 8.1 g
Rms = 1.189 kg/s
Xmax = 3.5 mm
Xmech = 5.25 mm
P-Dia = 105.1 mm
Sd = 88 sq.cm
P-Vd = 0.0304 liters
Qes = 0.5
Re = 5.7 ohms
Le = 0.6 mH
Z = 8 ohms
BL = 5.7 Tm
Pe = 40 watts
Qts = 0.41
no = 0.361 %
1-W SPL = 87.72 dB
2.83-V SPL = 88.3 dB
-----------------------------------------
Box Properties
Name:
Type: Vented Box
Shape: Prism, square (optimum)
Vb = 0.521 cu.ft
Fb = 45.84 Hz
QL = 7
F3 = 49.14 Hz
Fill = minimal
No. of Vents = 1
Vent shape = round
Vent ends = one flared
Dv = 2 in
Lv = 6.544 in

If your are really serious about it, I will model the crossover, but that is serious work and will not do it unless you are serious about building the speaker.
Thank you /very/ much. I tried giving you the proper rep but it'll only let me thank you because I need to spread more around. :)

I won't ask you to model the crossover until I'm sure I want to build it (I probably will), I actually have another project I want to ask you about (I'll start a new thread).
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
This sort of box, and you get an F3 just below 50 Hz with a 0.5 cu. ft. box.

Name: Peerless PPB 830860
Type: Standard one-way driver
Company: Peerless (Denmark)
No. of Drivers = 1
Fs = 56.1 Hz
Qms = 2.41
Vas = 10.6 liters
Cms = 0.99 mm/N
Mms = 8.1 g
Rms = 1.189 kg/s
Xmax = 3.5 mm
Xmech = 5.25 mm
P-Dia = 105.1 mm
Sd = 88 sq.cm
P-Vd = 0.0304 liters
Qes = 0.5
Re = 5.7 ohms
Le = 0.6 mH
Z = 8 ohms
BL = 5.7 Tm
Pe = 40 watts
Qts = 0.41
no = 0.361 %
1-W SPL = 87.72 dB
2.83-V SPL = 88.3 dB
-----------------------------------------
Box Properties
Name:
Type: Vented Box
Shape: Prism, square (optimum)
Vb = 0.521 cu.ft
Fb = 45.84 Hz
QL = 7
F3 = 49.14 Hz
Fill = minimal
No. of Vents = 1
Vent shape = round
Vent ends = one flared
Dv = 2 in
Lv = 6.544 in

If your are really serious about it, I will model the crossover, but that is serious work and will not do it unless you are serious about building the speaker.
That tunes below the Fs according to my model? Would one get smoother response by tuning higher?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
That tunes below the Fs according to my model? Would one get smoother response by tuning higher?
You are correct in that the optimal box tunes to 60 Hz, but the box volume is 0.3 cu.ft, and it is impossible to get a port in that size box that would work. So I enlarged to the box to get rid if that headache, and there is no ripple. The response peaks at 400 Hz, and there is smooth roll of to -3 db at 49 Hz. The reason this driver can tune a little below Fs is that it is a high Qtc driver, but that leads to the port problem. I actually think that box would work very well.

I tried the driver sealed, but F3 is then 115 Hz. So ported is the best option of the two. I have been looking closely at this driver for a TL. The numbers are about as perfect as they could be for a small TL. Options would be a small tower with two drivers, or a small bookshelf labyrinth type TL. I have only ever built one pair of bookshelf labyrinths. They were for my eldest sister, built just over 40 years ago. They are in hers and my brother in law's dining room and still going strong. They still love them.

So a TL does not have to be huge. I can't recall a commercial small TL previously except from TDL.

There is a relatively new British speaker manufacturer PMC, who has developed a large range of aperiodically damped lines, exactly the way I design them.
Their entire range if speakers are TLS and they have now teamed up with Bryston and have some active TLs. May be someone has been reading my posts!

Their speakers have been generating a lot of favorable comment in both domestic and professional circles, especially for their natural bass. They are now staring to penetrate the US market.

I think TLs have a huge advantage especially in the HT arena, where bass muddle and high Qtc speakers are far less then desirable. My wife an I were watching calender girls last night and the speakers are seamless between dialog and the music parts. You get addicted to them.

My best friend who has the B & W 800 D speakers was here again recently, he visits often. He and his wife listened longer than usual here last time, unfortunately, and has become sensitized to the ported tuning of the 800 Ds. Now the 800D has a very subtle bass tuning in my view, but you can hear port kick in, at least I can, and now he is sensitized to it. I regret to say he has bought a top end pair of Grado headphones since his last visit, and using them more than the 800 Ds. He says the bass is like my TLs, but I have not heard his phones yet.

So I think HT because of the need for clear speech and bass not splashing over everything may well bring the TL into general currency so to speak. By this I mean true aperiodically damped lines, and not variants with odd tuned cavities and two peaks of impedance.

I finished up all the outside work yesterday. The final job was hanging the Christmas lights round the balconies. So today is the official first day of my winter hibernation, which will give time to devote to that type of nonsense, and start some serious design and R & D. The design work for the speakers here took a lot out of me and I vowed they would be my last. However I'm having a change of view.
 

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