Chris Botti hates Mac computers

[rnatalli]

99% of Mac software is crap, with the only exception being an OS that is basically Linux with a locked code base!

Mac OsX is not Linux in any way. It's based on BSD which is UNIX. The kernel I believe is based on the Mach design which is a microkernel very different than Linux which is monolithic

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Are you also describing 85% of the legitimate software in existence? Ya know what, yeah, you actually are.

That is a HUGE myth. I can run anything on my mac that you run on your PC. Including your OS. There is almost always a mac option for most any piece of software you can think of and in a lot of cases the mac option is the superior piece of software. There are of course exceptions and specialty sofware apps but not stuff the general public uses. Of course I know you know this, and are just funning. At least I hope you do.

 

[tbergman]

I'm an avid Linux user.

I run Linux because I don't want to pay for another Windows OS, but I'm still far from an advanced user.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

How quickly you forget....I was making a subtle reference to our previous Mac VS PC forum war.

Just pulling your chain.

Yeah I knew.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

I'm an avid Linux user.



99% of Mac software is crap, with the only exception being an OS that is basically Linux with a locked code base!

Care to list this crap software you speak of.

 

[krzywica]

Mac OsX is not Linux in any way. It's based on BSD which is UNIX. The kernel I believe is based on the Mach design which is a microkernel very different than Linux which is monolithic

Uh.....monolithic as in the rock that never crashes then yeah...its monolithic.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Mac OsX is not Linux in any way. It's based on BSD which is UNIX. The kernel I believe is based on the Mach design which is a microkernel very different than Linux which is monolithic

All true and in fact Leopard received UNIX 03 cert.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2007/08/mac-os-x-leopard-receives-unix-03-certification.ars

 

[rnatalli]

Uh.....monolithic as in the rock that never crashes then yeah...its monolithic.

You do know that the weakness of monolithic kernels vs. micro kernels is stability? Monolithic's advantage is performance. This is why you'll find even smaller kernels like QNX in charge of things like nuclear silo's and systems on the space shuttle where failure is disastrous. That said, monolithic is stable enough IMO and its performance advantages outweigh a microkernel's advantages in the desktop world.

 

[dkane360]

Care to list this crap software you speak of.

MICROSOFT WORD 08

I can't stand it lol.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

MICROSOFT WORD 08

I can't stand it lol.

Other than the price and the fact they copied the look of Apple's "Pages" what's wrong with it? Granted for 99.999 percent of most users, OpenOffice is just fine and free.

 

[highfigh]

Here's another horn player who should be heard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in0N7Yj2cVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFqV-6_9f08&feature=related

We lived around the corner from each other when we were kids.

 

[dkane360]

Other than the price and the fact they copied the look of Apple's "Pages" what's wrong with it? Granted for 99.999 percent of most users, OpenOffice is just fine and free.

I cant remember off hand what I needed to do, but it was something with printing in a different format, and it wouldnt let me. I also think its slow and I can't ever find anything I need.

 

[Nemo128]

Mac OsX is not Linux in any way. It's based on BSD which is UNIX. The kernel I believe is based on the Mach design which is a microkernel very different than Linux which is monolithic

Glad you threw in that X, was that your edit? Since you'd be wrong without it. Mac OS before X was monolithic. Also, OSX is not microkernel or monolithic. It's a hybrid of both, which makes it LESS like Unix and MORE like Microsoft's NT kernel! ROFL! The Unix cert is complete and utter BS perpetuated by money, every kernel developer knows that. It has nothing to do with its security or stability. It's a test to see if an OS maintains enough similarity to the original Unix C source libraries developed by AT&T to be considered Unix or Unix-like.

Here's another factoid for you... OSX is based on the XNU hybrid kernel. Know what XNU stands for? "X is Not Unix"! I'm not even gonna get into your statement that OSX is not Linux in any way, I'm sure I've ranted enough already...

Care to list this crap software you speak of.

Didn't you just contradict yourself? 85% of software on Windows is crap, most if not all Windows software runs on Mac... doesn't that mean Mac runs crap software? For starters, iTunes!!!! Crappiest media player ever created.

You do know that the weakness of monolithic kernels vs. micro kernels is stability? Monolithic's advantage is performance. This is why you'll find even smaller kernels like QNX in charge of things like nuclear silo's and systems on the space shuttle where failure is disastrous. That said, monolithic is stable enough IMO and its performance advantages outweigh a microkernel's advantages in the desktop world.

That's why the NT kernel used by Microsoft AND the kernel used by Apple are both hybrid and not monolithic/microkernel exclusively. I find that so funny, the company that wants so badly to differentiate itself from the evil empire of Microsoft adopting a similar kernel architecture... hilarity.

VxWorks is another monolithic kernel OS loved in the defense community.

 

[highfigh]

Sorry to jack this briefly but,...

speaking of kernel, is there a way to increase kernel memory in a PIII computer? Mine shows that it's tapped out and there's not much space. I don't expect miracles but it slows EVERYTHING to a crawl. I have plenty of cache, RAM and HD space/virtual memory.

Thanks.

 

[Nemo128]

Sorry to jack this briefly but,...

speaking of kernel, is there a way to increase kernel memory in a PIII computer? Mine shows that it's tapped out and there's not much space. I don't expect miracles but it slows EVERYTHING to a crawl. I have plenty of cache, RAM and HD space/virtual memory.

Thanks.

Yes, in the registry and boot.ini file... are you sure you want to know? It can have disasterous results. Also I'm assuming you're running Windows.

I'd run Linux if it were an option on a P3, depending on what you're doing with it.

 

[rnatalli]

Glad you threw in that X, was that your edit? Since you'd be wrong without it. Mac OS before X was monolithic. Also, OSX is not microkernel or monolithic. It's a hybrid of both, which makes it LESS like Unix and MORE like Microsoft's NT kernel! ROFL! The Unix cert is complete and utter BS perpetuated by money, every kernel developer knows that. It has nothing to do with its security or stability. It's a test to see if an OS maintains enough similarity to the original Unix C source libraries developed by AT&T to be considered Unix or Unix-like.

Here's another factoid for you... OSX is based on the XNU hybrid kernel. Know what XNU stands for? "X is Not Unix"! I'm not even gonna get into your statement that OSX is not Linux in any way, I'm sure I've ranted enough already...



Didn't you just contradict yourself? 85% of software on Windows is crap, most if not all Windows software runs on Mac... doesn't that mean Mac runs crap software? For starters, iTunes!!!! Crappiest media player ever created.



That's why the NT kernel used by Microsoft AND the kernel used by Apple are both hybrid and not monolithic/microkernel exclusively. I find that so funny, the company that wants so badly to differentiate itself from the evil empire of Microsoft adopting a similar kernel architecture... hilarity.

VxWorks is another monolithic kernel OS loved in the defense community.

Everything you've said still doesn't suggest what I said originally is wrong except that OsX's kernel is a hybrid. In the technical sense, remember that Linux is simply the kernel developed by Linus Torvalds and is a monolithic design. By your own admission, OsX's kernel is a hybrid design which means it can't be Linux. It would be more appropriate to look at similarities between OsX and distributions using the Linux kernel. As for MS, just because Apple is using a similar kernel architecture to what MS uses, doesn't mean it's just as bad. That's like saying a Ford is basically the same design as a Bentley and just as good.

 

[Nemo128]

That's like saying a Ford is basically the same design as a Bentley and just as good.

Bentleys are pretty crappy.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Didn't you just contradict yourself? 85% of software on Windows is crap, most if not all Windows software runs on Mac... doesn't that mean Mac runs crap software? For starters, iTunes!!!! Crappiest media player ever created.

People love to hate itunes, but I have tried other media players and while some do play more formats they are not any better. What is it about itunes that you think is crappy other than the obvious things like being tied to ipods and does not play lossless formats other than Apple lossless?

I rip all my CD's with Apple lossless and use itunes to manage them. I send the PCM stream over fiber optic to my Yammie RX-V2600. It works flawlessly. If i use a mac mini connected to my system I can log into that mac with my laptop and I don't even have to get out of the chair to change songs. What other media player would work better for this and why? I don't buy songs off itunes and I only use my ipod for audio books.

Remember too, itunes for the Mac and itunes for windows are not the same animal.

And sorry you are just totally wrong comparing OS X's kernel to NT's. Funniest thing I a have heard in a long time. I worked on NT servers and desktop systems and OS X servers, and IBM AS400. NT is and was the most unstable OS ever put on this earth with the exception of ME. OS X on the other hand is rock solid.

 

[Shock]

I have to agree with Nemo, iTunes is the biggest piece of crap I've ever used. Not only is it slow, but it's so in your face. "Hey guys! Look at me! I'm iTunes....guys?"

Winamp is the best media manager I've used. It's easy to use and doesn't have to take up your entire screen to use effectively.

Quite frankly everyone knows that Windows is the mans operating system, and OsX is for little sissy girls.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

I have to agree with Nemo, iTunes is the biggest piece of crap I've ever used. Not only is it slow, but it's so in your face. "Hey guys! Look at me! I'm iTunes....guys?"

Winamp is the best media manager I've used. It's easy to use and doesn't have to take up your entire screen to use effectively.

Quite frankly everyone knows that Windows is the mans operating system, and OsX is for little sissy girls.

All not true. Itunes not slow on a mac, could be on a PC, does not take up the entire screen to use effectively. If you wanted to use full screen you throw it onto another desktop. Oh I forgot windoze does not have virtual desktops built in

Screen shots on a 13in laptop screen. Note it does not take over the whole screen and I can access all features.

Want even less than use the mini player.