Checking Political Facts

[Adam]

That's what Alan Greenspan says too. But that was easy once Reagan won the Cold War.

Unbox your new Integra, you political-posting bastard!

 

[Joe Schmoe]

once Reagan won the Cold War.

Reagan had nothing to do with ending the cold war. The Soviet Union crumbled as a result of its own problems. Reagan merely happened to be in office at the time.

 

[Alex2507]

Christians need people like us so they can feel better about their own beliefs.

NOTE: The above has been editted.

First I would like to get rid of the us and them positions.
Let's make it Alex and Dave.
Alex needs Dave to feel better about his own beliefs.
Does that statement still work?

Here's my honest opinion:
Alex and Dave don't need each other to validate each others personal and private beliefs
although both agreed to burn Joe at the stake.

 

[10010011]

once Reagan won the Cold War.

Since Reagan gets all the credit for "winning the cold war" just because he happened to be in office when the Soviet Union collapsed.

Then using the same logic, George Bush has to take all the credit for the US economy collapsing while he happened to be in office.

 

[annunaki]

Since Reagan gets all the credit for "winning the cold war" just because he happened to be in office when the Soviet Union collapsed.

Then using the same logic, George Bush has to take all the credit for the US economy collapsing while he happened to be in office.

And still using the same logic Bill Clinton gets all the credit for an economy that was poised to boom anyway. Not to mention taxes were at a near all time high during his presidency.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Since Reagan gets all the credit for "winning the cold war" just because he happened to be in office when the Soviet Union collapsed.

Then using the same logic, George Bush has to take all the credit for the US economy collapsing while he happened to be in office.

There is a difference, though. Reagan did nothing to contribute to the ending of the cold war. Bush, on the other hand, has been actively bankrupting the country by means of his endless, useless war. (Also, Clinton's policies directly contributed to economic health.)

 

[unreal.freak]

How can Christians punish us for non-believing. After all, they need people like us so they can feel better about their own beliefs.

I find it very sad that you believe that way. You have it all wrong. I dont know wich Christians you learned that from . If a person tried to "punish'' you for "Non-believing" they likely arent a Christian in the first place. All Christians that i know dont need you or any other human to feel good about "thier own beliefs". The faith of living in a better place "heaven"
for ever is plenty enough, but to top all that off, Christians also believe that they will be spending that time with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. I wish you could be around good Christian folks for some time. I think you have an idea in your head about some people who claim to be Christians, and you are assuming all Christians are the same way...Not True! I hope one day, everyone here that finds the necessity to talk down on Religious People, gets to know a real Christian. I think you would change your mind about the myths you have about them. Im not saying you would believe differently, im just saying maybe you wouldnt try to isult, humiliate, degrade, or belittle, every chance you get. I find most that people here that continually slam religious people, arent even Moral athiest.

 

[Davemcc]

NOTE: The above has been editted.

First I would like to get rid of the us and them positions.
Let's make it Alex and Dave.
Alex needs Dave to feel better about his own beliefs.
Does that statement still work?

Here's my honest opinion:
Alex and Dave don't need each other to validate each others personal and private beliefs
although both agreed to burn Joe at the stake.

I find it very sad that you believe that way. You have it all wrong. I dont know wich Christians you learned that from . If a person tried to "punish'' you for "Non-believing" they likely arent a Christian in the first place. All Christians that i know dont need you or any other human to feel good about "thier own beliefs". The faith of living in a better place "heaven"
for ever is plenty enough, but to top all that off, Christians also believe that they will be spending that time with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. I wish you could be around good Christian folks for some time. I think you have an idea in your head about some people who claim to be Christians, and you are assuming all Christians are the same way...Not True! I hope one day, everyone here that finds the necessity to talk down on Religious People, gets to know a real Christian. I think you would change your mind about the myths you have about them. Im not saying you would believe differently, im just saying maybe you wouldnt try to isult, humiliate, degrade, or belittle, every chance you get. I find most that people here that continually slam religious people, arent even Moral athiest.

Easy tigers, I put in the smiley to indicate it was just a tongue in cheek little joke. But as they say, there's a little truth to every joke so let me explain where I'm coming from.

I would say that Alex has been raised to believe that if he is good, he will go to heaven and that if he is bad, he will go to hell. Non believers are held out as an example of those who will not receive the benefit of heaven. Alex is going to heaven. Dave is going to hell. I certainly have to think that Alex feels better about himself thinking that he will go to heaven, unlike my damned (literally) heathen self. The only thing that could make Alex feel better about himself is if he could convert me to the faith so that I might join him is heaven. But he can't do that without me, so yes, Christians rely on people like me to feel better about their religion.

Freak, my whole family is uber-religious, from a Baptist minister to born-again evangelicals and Presbyterians. All good people and good Christians, to be sure. Most of my friends have also been quite religious, yet we all get along just fine. I hope you don't take my wink-wink nudge-nudge sense of humor as an attempt to insult or degrade anybody. There can't be good without evil, sometimes I think that it's my role in life to make the good people feel good.*






* indicates another joke.

 

[unreal.freak]

Easy tigers, I put in the smiley to indicate it was just a tongue in cheek little joke. But as they say, there's a little truth to every joke so let me explain where I'm coming from.

I would say that Alex has been raised to believe that if he is good, he will go to heaven and that if he is bad, he will go to hell. Non believers are held out as an example of those who will not receive the benefit of heaven. Alex is going to heaven. Dave is going to hell. I certainly have to think that Alex feels better about himself thinking that he will go to heaven, unlike my damned (literally) heathen self. The only thing that could make Alex feel better about himself is if he could convert me to the faith so that I might join him is heaven. But he can't do that without me, so yes, Christians rely on people like me to feel better about their religion.

Freak, my whole family is uber-religious, from a Baptist minister to born-again evangelicals and Presbyterians. All good people and good Christians, to be sure. Most of my friends have also been quite religious, yet we all get along just fine. I hope you don't take my wink-wink nudge-nudge sense of humor as an attempt to insult or degrade anybody. There can't be good without evil, sometimes I think that it's my role in life to make the good people feel good.

Im only calling it like I see, aside from 2 maybe 3 others, everyone else on the forums that participate in threads containing religion, only speaks negatively about it. Joking or not it starts to wear on me, and im positive it wears on others, because they wont even participate in threads that contain discussion about religion. "But as they say, there's a little truth to every joke"

Im not presuming to know how Alex believes, but all the Christians i know dont believe that good deeds or bad deeds alone decide if you go to heaven. Yes if you are a Christian you will be inspired by your faith to do good things, but it doesnt take religion to be inspired to do good things. Religious people strive to do good and rely on God to provide the strength and wisdom to do so. Baptist believe you can do a lifetime of good things and still not go to heaven.

This says it all
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. – John 3:16 (KJV)


Peace,
Tommy

 

[Davemcc]

Im only calling it like I see, aside from 2 maybe 3 others, everyone else on the forums that participate in threads containing religion, only speaks negatively about it. Joking or not it starts to wear on me, and im positive it wears on others, because they wont even participate in threads that contain discussion about religion.

Still, dealing with the likes of me has to be an easier test of faith than spending 30 days alone in the desert.

 

[unreal.freak]

Still, dealing with the likes of me has to be an easier test of faith than spending 30 days alone in the desert.

LOL...

 

[Alex2507]

Alex is going to heaven.

Let's just say I'm working on it. No guaranties.

The only thing that could make Alex feel better about himself is if he could convert me

I don't believe I can convert anybody.

Still, dealing with the likes of me has to be an easier test of faith than spending 30 days alone in the desert.

If that's a reference to Lk 4:1-2 I just want to point out that it was 40 days and he had company.

I don't go to church. I got the message and would be happy to share it with you,
for a small fee.