Center channel expertise required

velcrometer

velcrometer

Junior Audioholic
PROBLEM: My main goal in getting surround sound is to help my husband hear the dialogue! He can't hear clearly when there's any background noise in a movie, it makes the voices harder to distinguish. I'm constantly 'translating' for him & he's only 46! I know some people want the big booming sound in home theater. That's great, but my real focus here is CLARITY, of dialogue especially. Someone told me that it's all about the center channel & that's where the dialogue comes from. Will dialogue come from one of the smaller speakers set directly next to my husband's head?

CURRENT GEAR: I have a 62" HD Mitsubishi DLP. We watch regular TV programs or order movies via pay-per-view from our cable provider. Our current DVD player is a $65 Phillips I got just to watch exercise CD's with, it's crap & so we don't use it for movie DVD's at all, even though we have this great widescreen DLP, sad I know. I'd like a new one.

No, I don't know what I'm doing.

BUDGET: $1500-$2500 for speaker system, receiver & DVD player. Do I need special wires/cables, powerstrips, etc? $2500 is my max.

THE ROOM: I'm read that room size should influence my choices. Living room is 20' x 28' with ceiling height starting at 10' & peaking in the middle at 11'. Dining room is at one end & takes up 11' with a tile floor. The main TV viewing area is 20' x 17' and all carpet. The wall behind the TV is all huge windows with living room to the left of the TV & dining room to the right of it. TV angles toward the living room. I can't move the TV because the room is very bright & this was the only spot to see it clearly with little glare. It's a house so I'm not worried about the neighbors like I would be in an apartment.

I have space on either side of the TV for floor standing speakers, but cannot mount them on the wall behind because the wall is all glass windows. Cannot put the center channel below the TV because there is a loveseat there, but it could be mounted above the TV. Where the sub goes is to the left of the loveseat I think? Can't put it to the right, fireplace is there.

Plenty of space (2-4 feet deep) behind the main 11' long sofa for floor standing speakers, and to either side of it.

POSIBILITIES: I read good reviews for Harmon Kardon HKTS 14 speakers, it has a 12" 200 watt sub, but is the center channel enough? I wanted sleek, demure speakers but will they do the job? My friend is now getting the Klipsch 52 system, his brother-in-law is an audiophile so maybe this is a better choice though more money? Should I go with 5.1 or 7.1 (just 2 extra speakers right?)

Since my room is kinda big, how far can I string speaker wire without degrading the sound? This may be a stupid question but I heard that your cables & wires can make a big difference. I don't even have an HDMI cable yet for my TV, and yes I'm ashamed. ;-)

Thank you in advance for your advice, it won't fall on deaf ears. ;-)
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
PROBLEM: My main goal in getting surround sound is to help my husband hear the dialogue!
Are you listening through the speakers on the TV? If so, then yes...you should get a big improvement by using a good center channel speaker. Some (if not most) built-in TV speakers are challenged to clearly play dialogue along with all of the other background noises in a movie.

Do I need special wires/cables, powerstrips, etc?
No, you don't need anything special. A surge protector is a good idea to protect your equipment, though. You'll want good quality cables, but don't get sucked into the hype about buying Brand A instead of Brand B.

For speaker wires, you'll want oxygen-free copper (OFC), and you can get that at a lot of places. The thickness (i.e. gauge) of wire that you'll want will depend mostly on how far you're running the wires. The longer the distance, the thicker the wire. It's a matter of keeping the electrical resistance low - longer wires have more resistance, fatter wires have less resistance...so, the longer the wire, the fatter you'll want it to be.
 
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Leprkon

Audioholic General
Since my room is kinda big, how far can I string speaker wire without degrading the sound? This may be a stupid question but I heard that your cables & wires can make a big difference. I don't even have an HDMI cable yet for my TV, and yes I'm ashamed. ;-)

Thank you in advance for your advice, it won't fall on deaf ears. ;-)
you can run 14 gage cable about 40 feet without hurting the sound. Any further and you should go to 12 gage. Most people just use 12 gage all the way around.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I got my PureAV PF31D at Amazon for quite a bit less ($136, I think), and I'm happy with it. Don't worry about "line conditioning", as you probably won't be able to tell any difference. Surge protection is a good idea, though. There are a number of brands and units out there. No need to spend a lot of money on one. I got the PF31D because it had enough outlets for me and I liked the look of it.
 
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Leprkon

Audioholic General
I have space on either side of the TV for floor standing speakers, but cannot mount them on the wall behind because the wall is all glass windows. Cannot put the center channel below the TV because there is a loveseat there, but it could be mounted above the TV.

Thank you in advance for your advice, it won't fall on deaf ears. ;-)
this will probably help with your center channel speaker. if you decide to use one, I would stick with a center channel that weighs under 15 pounds. these days, the TVs aren't really meant to hold much weight across the top.

http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=29739
 
velcrometer

velcrometer

Junior Audioholic
WOW! you guys are awsome! Thanks so much for all the detailed info & links! Yes, I'm using the TV's speakers. Do you think the center channel on the Harmon HKTS 14 will be enough for me?

I will definitely take your advice on the DVD Player & wires, etc...

Thanks so much for your quick responses. I still need a receiver, what price level do I need? Does it depend on which speaker system I get?
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
av123 gets good reviews here, as do a number of other brands. The best way to pick speakers is to listen to them yourselves and decide what you like. You can go to big box stores to listen, as well as to specialty A/V stores. A number of internet-direct companies (like av123) exist, too. SVS, Hsu, Axiom, and Aperion are just a few others. You can check into their return policies and how much (if any) it will cost you in shipping to return speakers if you don't like them.

You can also check out the threads on this site, because speakers get discussed all of the time. :D
 
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Leprkon

Audioholic General
Don't I need a Sub?
You didn't say if you already had one. for that price ($560), though, the HSUs and SvS's are probably a much better deal than the Axiom sub.

You can find links to them on this website.
 
velcrometer

velcrometer

Junior Audioholic
You didn't say if you already had one. for that price ($560), though, the HSUs and SvS's are probably a much better deal than the Axiom sub.

You can find links to them on this website.
You're right, I forgot to mention needing a sub. Are HSU and SvS the exact brand names I should look up or are they abbreviations? I'm going to learn this!

You've been very helpful, all of you have. I now have more research to do through the links you provided.

I guess I should ask specific speaker questions in the loudspeaker forum?
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
I got my PureAV PF31D at Amazon for quite a bit less ($136, I think), and I'm happy with it. Don't worry about "line conditioning", as you probably won't be able to tell any difference. Surge protection is a good idea, though. There are a number of brands and units out there. No need to spend a lot of money on one. I got the PF31D because it had enough outlets for me and I liked the look of it.
These are even less and work just as good

http://www.tripplite.com/products/suppressors/isobar.cfm#four_outlets
 
velcrometer

velcrometer

Junior Audioholic
I would "NOT" purchase that. It was just on sale for $199. Price went back up. I would wait till it goes on sale again, or the format war figures itself out some more.
Thanks for the great tip. You gotta love a sale. A friend of mine got the Oppo, haven't seen it yet. Good review made her buy it.

Are some center channels bigger than others? Like subwoofers are? You know I've seen 8-12" subs that are 100-300 watts. How do you judge a center channel?
 
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Leprkon

Audioholic General
I would "NOT" purchase that. It was just on sale for $199. Price went back up. I would wait till it goes on sale again, or the format war figures itself out some more.
the format war isn't really an issue. this player gets you 1080p output on a normal DVD, has incredible sound (the main priority if I remember right) will play a CD, and costs half of what a similar Denon or Blue Ray unit would.

The fact it does HD-DVD is simply a bonus. You get 5 free in a rebate, but you don't have to buy any more if you don't want.
 
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