cant calibrate 2807 - arg!!!

[niteboater]

$1000 and I cant really use this unit right. ARG. very mad.

The manual appears to gloss over important detail and doesnt even match the screens I see on the actual unit. DUH !!!

I keep getting "Caution! FR/FL > Phase "

The phase is NOT at issue, double checked. The manual suggest "Skip" however, no such choice is presented at the unit. WTF ?

On "Retry" one just gets the same dumb result. HELLO ? How about building a recvr that mere mortals can use.

Very annoying. Too bad. Im on the verge of selling this POS.

 

[the grunt]

I just happened to see this in the AVS forum the other day. Perhaps the discussion can help you sort out what is happening. Post #8 has a good explanation.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=778572

I also have a 2807 and it works just fine. Hope you can work things out.

 

[avaserfi]

I know on my 3806 that I got the same error from audyssey and there was a skip option at the very bottom of the screen. You sure you didn't miss it?

These are fairly common problems with the auto eq from what I hear and can be cause by sound reflection along with a few other things besides actual speaker polarity.

 

[niteboater]

"ignore the warning" - no way to do this...

"... if wired correctly, ignore the warning as some such auto-setups can be misled by room modes or shifted phase wiring inside the speakers..."
Kal Rubinson
AVS Special Member

this is already suggested in the manual. This sentence, the heart of what would be a competent suggestion, misses any target because it fails to take into account what Ive already mentioned: there is no "skip" or "bypass" or "do something else" function built into the control logic of the 2807's system panel. Its just "Cancel" or "Retry". One cannot get past this at all, ever, unless one considers rewiring. But why should I rewire - my system has been phase wired correctly.

The true disappointment here is that I can never get to the part of the calibration process where "calculations" are made.

I could find no mention of anyone else having this same problem which is very puzzling. Surely others must have worked thru this probem, but how ?

 

[the grunt]

I just rewired my front L/R speakers so that they were out of phase. I ran auto setup on my Denon 2807 and got the caution that they were out of phase. As avaserfi said I tabbed down to “skip” and selected it and continued on with the auto setup and auto EQ and saved the settings.

I agree that the manual is not well written and if you are using the LED display on the front of the receiver its even more difficult to navigate the menu options. Just make sure when you get to the error screen that you select the down button on the remote until you get to skip and everything should proceed normally.

 

[MDS]

Surely you can skip the speaker polarity tests, no?

If all else fails, you can always do it the old fashioned way with an SPL meter.

 

[Nick250]

Check out post 143:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7969145#post7969145

Nick

 

[Starmax]

Don't know if this will help but...

I've got the 5805 and ran into a similar problem with the Audyssey set-up...after all the speakers did their thing, it kept getting hung-up on the subwoofer tones...retrying each one (I have 3) several times before finally give the error message "Room Ambiance Too Loud" or something like that. There was no "skip" option...the only thing it would let me do was "retry." Even though my room was graveyard quiet, I kept getting that error message no matter what I did. After crying, cursing and drinking I felt alot better, but the error message was still there. Turns out one of my sub's crossover filter wasn't set to bypass, and that flipped out the Audyssey program. It didn't tell me one of my subs was set-up wrong, it just said my room was too loud. After changing the setting on my sub, the set-up finished up without a hitch. It did tell me that my left rear surround was out of phase (which I ignored, because it wasn't) but there was a "skip" option to let me continue. As for your problem, all I can tell you is check your subwoofer settings to see if it's set to "bypass." Let me know what happens...

 

[avaserfi]

This might help aswell while I know its not the same receiver the process should be similar if not the same.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_2/denon-avr-5805-receiver-5-2005-part-3.html

 

[darien87]

I just rewired my front L/R speakers so that they were out of phase. I ran auto setup on my Denon 2807 and got the caution that they were out of phase. As avaserfi said I tabbed down to “skip” and selected it and continued on with the auto setup and auto EQ and saved the settings.

I agree that the manual is not well written and if you are using the LED display on the front of the receiver its even more difficult to navigate the menu options. Just make sure when you get to the error screen that you select the down button on the remote until you get to skip and everything should proceed normally.

I got the same error when setting up my Yamaha 661. The connections were correct, but I just changed them because it told me to. Should I not have done that?!?

 

[avaserfi]

Most likely you shouldn't have rewired your speakers. You should check and see if they are wired properly and if they are leave them if they aren't switch them back and ignore the error.

 

[darien87]

Most likely you shouldn't have rewired your speakers. You should check and see if they are wired properly and if they are leave them if they aren't switch them back and ignore the error.

Yeah, when I first got the 661 and got the error, I though, "Maybe I somehow switched the connections on the back of the receiver." But when I got my Acurus and hooked it up, I made sure the connections were right, but I still got the same error. So I switched them back to "out-of-phase". I guess I'll switch them back to being correct tonight.

 

[avaserfi]

If you have avia test disc or another audio calibration disc you should be able to test speaker phase with that as well.

 

[Starmax]

Don't know about your Yamaha receiver, but I've read that the Audyssey set-up on a Denon is famous for misdiagnosing speaker phase, and if you are certain that your speakers are wired properly, hit the "skip" option and fergitaboutit.

 

[avaserfi]

Don't know about your Yamaha receiver, but I've read that the Audyssey set-up on a Denon is famous for misdiagnosing speaker phase, and if you are certain that your speakers are wired properly, hit the "skip" option and fergitaboutit.

Ohh yeah, if you google it its everywhere. Even the Audyssey review on audioholics ran into that problem. I know I ran into that problem after I upgraded to a 7.1 set up. Worried me too because I just hooked up the speakers and my mic stopped working, kept giving me an error saying it wasn't connected. So after sending it back to Denon I got a new mic and bam I get the stupid phase error. A Google search later and I find out its my rooms crappy acoustics (Boo apartments but I am still working on it) that are most likely to blame.

 

[Starmax]

avaserfi, are you sure it was your room acoustics that caused the phase error message and not a glitch in the Audyssey program?

 

[avaserfi]

Yeah, pretty sure. From what I have read about the phase error it isn't generally an error in the programing but the mic picking up sound reflections that it mis-interprets as out of phase speakers. I am not 100 percent but I am pretty sure its not entirely an error in programing I think its a mix of various environmental factors in my case but in some cases it can be the speakers used as well.

 

[Starmax]

Could be...it's way beyond me. What makes me suspect it's the program rather than the room acoustics is that I kept getting phase errors on different speakers. One time it would be the left back surround. Another time the right side surround. I'd even switch the wiring to suit Audyssey and it would STILL tell me it was out of phase.

 

[avaserfi]

I have heard of that and seen it experienced once. I am not entirely sure what that would be attributed to, but it does sound like a programing error. Maybe someone with more experience/knowledge could chime in.

 

[the grunt]

I’ve had different problems with Audyssey. At first it worked great but after about a month it started to randomly set my speaker sizes. It also consistently creates a filter that clobbers the vocal frequency range by lowering it by -6dB to - 12dB. Who knows maybe I dropped the microphone without realizing it but whatever happened it now sounds awful so I stopped using it.