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Hoikensnogin

Enthusiast
Started researching cables...I've got a headache :(

My system thus far: Klipsch RF7s, Klipsch RF-3's, Onkyo TS-DX898...looking to get a Denon DVD 2200, Klipsch RC7 center channel and maybe a sub.

Here's what I think I've learned...

1. Receiver to Speakers: Any 12 to 14 guage copper wire will do fine. 16 guage is fine for shorter distances.

2. Digital Audio Interconnects: I want to puke. Anyway it seems blue jeans cable are highly recomended here. Do I really need to pay that much? How much should I spend?

3. Analog Audio interconncects (for SACD/DVD-A): How much do I need to spend?

4. Component Video cables: How much $ ???

All these cables range from $5 to $XXXX. Without becoming an electrical engineer (I'm a mechanical engineer), how much should I expect to spend for quality cables?

One more item: It bothers me that Audioholics reviews Axiom audio's products and they advertise on this site. Typically that's a bad sign. Axiom's cables for example...they seem to be as expensive as Monster Cables (which sell at huge margins).

I appreciate this site and the advice I get here, but I'm not sure you can objectively review a product when you're getting paid to advertise it at the same time. IMO, it weakens your credibility as a reviewer and nullifies your review. I think that's general truth. I don't mean this as an attack, but I think it's a fair question.
 
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Rÿche 1

Audioholic
I'd like to direct you towards Acoustic Research Pro/Pro II series. Excellent build quality, great price. Check out accessories4less.com
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
The Audioholics staff has explained their position on reviews in the past. I can see it can lead to the appearance of impropriety, but the fact is that almost all print magazines do this, too, no matter what the subject. It's an economic necessity if the site is going to be viable as a full time gig someday.

As for cables, well, that's a pretty controversial subject. A lot of audiophools insist all of them sound different and (surprise!) the good ones are expensive. I'm not aware of any documented instance where any of these Golden Earred individuals have every proven they could tell cables apart in an unsighted test, but that's a whole 'nuther can of worms.

I use some DIY cables, but I also like Zu cables. I use Zu Firemine coax cables & Zu Disco ICs. They look very cool, sound just fine & aren't terribly expensive. It's probably just superstition, but I'd like to try a Zu Ash coax cable which is about 3X the price of my Firemine.

You could say I'm "Cable Agnostic"- I can't honestly say I've heard a lot of differences, but I haven't exhaustively compared them side by side. And I sure haven't heard a very high percentage of the cables out there. It remains a possibility that there are audible differences, but I really can't prove it one way or another.

Maybe one day AH can put together a scientific test. Of course, no objective test will ever satisfy the really religious cable zealots, but it might put the subject to rest for the bulk of us open-mined types.
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
I appreciate this site and the advice I get here, but I'm not sure you can objectively review a product when you're getting paid to advertise it at the same time.
Actually all of the Axiom reviews we did were prior to any advertising arrangements. We chose our advertisers, not the other way around. We only allow advertisers on this site that manufacturer products we believe are of good quality and value.

As for objective cable measurements/articles, check out our Cable Section of the site. You won't find another publication with the sophisticated measurement tools and analysis on cables period.


Here is an old Cable Face Off Article I did.

I am currently working on part II which will contain 12 cables from low to high price. This article will be posted in stages as it is already over 20 pages in length. I am hoping to at least post my measurements by Monday.

Many other publications will sell you the story of all the wonders of cables, how they break in, how the termination is more important than the cable itself along with an assortment of other bad sciences. However their house of cards collapse quickly when they offer no measurable or analytic proof of their claims, and sadly most of them lack the technical credentials to know how to interpret let alone measure the cable metrics responsible for signal changes or audible influences. I recently read a speaker cable review on another audio publication where the author made all of these wonderful claims about cable break in, including a rather interesting, yet scientifically inaccurate explaination behind it, only later to admit he was a musician with no technical background. Then why try to explain something technical in nature if you don't have a grasp on it? I find this to be misleading to consumers and wish audio publications would be more responsible about not disseminating this type of misinformation.

The reality is you don't need to spend alot of money on cables to achieve good performance. Beyond a few $$$/ft for speaker cables and about $10-15/ft for interconnect and video cables you are paying solely for product appeal, cosmetics, quality of terminations (hopefully good compression plugs) and marketing. Additionally we have found many instances where ultra high expensive cables actually performed far more poorly than basic OEM cable supplied by manufacturers. Buyer beware!

BTW, just to give you an idea of how advertisers don't influence our reviews, River Cable is an advertiser on our site, yet take a look at my review of their Flexygy 6 speaker cables which does not sugar coat their product or speak of magical wonders their cables evoke on my system. In fact, in Cable Face Off II you will find that I prefer their less expensive cable that measures better, but more on that later.
 
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Hoikensnogin

Enthusiast
Thanks

Gene,

I'm very impressed that you took the time to write a detailed reply. You put a lot of time into this site, and I for one greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

Kurt
 
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Hoikensnogin

Enthusiast
One more thing...

Rob I'd like to thank you for all your advice too. I think you've posted on every question I've asked. Thanks for helping the new guy out :D
 
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Illuminatti

Junior Audioholic
Cables

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Try exploring this site www.venhaus1com, they will give you step by step procedure on how to majke inexpensive but excellent cables.

Try it you wouldnt regret it!
 
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