Building Custom Home Theater A/V Package...Expert Advice Needed

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BBB

Audiophyte
Just became a member so this is my first post...

I'm planning to build a custom Home Theater A/V Package for the main living area of my house. I need some expert advice on each of the pieces as I'm not at all an expert on A/V equipment. My wife and I are looking at low- to mid- level systems (grand total price of no more than $1,200-$1,500) that are relatively small in size as our living area is not huge. I didn't go the HTIB route because I couldn't find speakers small enough for my wife's liking.

I would greatly appreciate any expert feedback on the following pieces of equipment that I am deciding on putting together for this HTS:

A/V Receiver (around $500): Denon AVR-791, Onkyo TX-SR608, Pioneer VSX-1020-K, or Yamaha RX-V667

Speakers (around $500): Mirage Nanosat Prestige 5 HTS (4 Mirage Nanosat Prestige Bookshelf/Satellite Speakers & 1 Mirage Nano CC Center Speaker). I would obviously add 2 more bookshelf/satellite speakers to equal the 7.1 receiver. This system retails for close to $1,000 on Mirage's website but I have found it on Amazon.com & Vanns.com for $499. I've also considered the Mirage Nanosat 5.1 System (5 Mirage Nanosat bookshelf/satellite speakers & Sub).

Subwoofer ($100-$500): Polk PSW10, Polk PSW110, or Polk PSW111. I have read several reviews on this forum stating that Polk Subs are sub-par so I may need to continue looking. I have also looked at the low- to mid- priced Mirage Subs (Mirage Prestige S8). I especially need help in choosing a decent Sub.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
Let's step back and look at this. The first thing you need to do is pick out your speakers and only then figure out what you need to drive them. So starting with speakers I'l tell you that I like something that will crossover to the sub no higher than 80hz. Why? Have you ever watched a ping pong match? Below 80hz it's hard for your ears to figure out where the sound is coming from. Above 80hz it becomes increasingly easy to localize the source. So if you pick a speaker with limited bass you can hear the source of the sound move from the speaker to the sub and back - sort of like listing to a ping pong match. That annoys me to death. The Nanosats have a small following here because they are so small and wife friendly but I couldn't handle them because they need to crossover at 110-120hz. That's a lot of audio ping pong.

Subwoofers are another area that need thought. Speaker companies generally do a lousy job with subwoofers and those you listed are the poster children for poor bang for the buck. Also to do their job well they need to be sized to the physical space. So let's say you're putting this system into your living room and that living room opens into the kitchen and a large hallway. If that's the case then you'll need to take into account not only the cubic footage of the living room but also those spaces that are open to it like the kitchen and hallway. So your homework assignment is to figure out cubic footage for your space and then contact SVSound, Elemental Designs, and Hsu Research and have them size you a sub. They sell direct which will give you a lot more bang for the buck. I own subs from both SVS and Hsu and both make great subs. Another thing to keep in mind is your environment. If you live in an apartment or condo I'd avoid down firing subs if you have anyone below you, and avoid rear ported subs if you have a shared wall.

You may also want to take a look at package deals from SVSound and Hsu Research. Hsu's HB-1 speakers do need a bit of space behind them so wall-hanging is out. The SVS' SBS-2 can be placed really close to the walls. I haven't heard their speakers but both have good reputations. There are other great possibilities but most are budget busters.

For a receiver (assuming you're in the US) I'd look at a factory refurbished Onkyo TX-SR608 from Accessories For Less, or if you don't need 3D support a refurbished TX-SR707. The 707 is a better receiver but since it's last year's model it lacks 3D support.
 
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shadyJ

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He is looking for satellite speakers. Mirages are probably as good as any of them. I think SvS and Hsu speakers are out, due to their size. Maybe the Hsu Ventriloquist speakers might work for him, if he isn't planning on listening to them really loudly. But then, any speaker of that size is going to be really taxed if they are pushed to high volumes and try to do full range. Orb Audio has a pretty good reputation for very small speakers. Small speakers would be a pretty painful compromise for me, but in a small room at modest volumes, I think any of these mentioned might not sound so bad.
 
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BBB

Audiophyte
I appreciate the feedback Sholling and ShadyJ, good food for thought!

To reply to Sholling's post... I am living in a 1-story house and my living room/kitchen/dining room are all open to one another (don't know the dimensions off the top of my head) so I will have to take that into consideration when choosing my speakers/Sub. I have even thought about not going all the way to a 7.1 and simply be content with a 5.1 which should be plenty sufficient for our family's needs/wants. For the 5.1 receiver I have looked at Denon AVR-591 and a Yamaha RX-V467.

As for the speakers and really the whole system for that matter, I'm not looking for something too powerful; simply a modest family home theater. I'll admit that if I had the space soley for myself I would be looking at higher quality equipment than what I listed above. My wife just really doesn't want to walk into our living room and see a bunch of large speakers and A/V components everywhere so that is why I'm looking at smaller bookshelf/satellite speakers. How are the speakers/Subs by Energy (RC-Micro, etc.)?

The size of the Mirage and Energy speakers are really the size I would like to have but just don't know how compatible they are with either the 5.1 or 7.1 receivers I'm looking at. Are there any other quality speakers that are around that size that I should consider?
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
I have even thought about not going all the way to a 7.1 and simply be content with a 5.1 which should be plenty sufficient for our family's needs/wants.
I have 5.1 in three rooms and have no intention of going back to 7.1. There aren't that many movies that use the rear channels and I think you're better off starting with a 5.1 and spending the money that would have gone into the other two speakers on the sub. You can always add two more later if you decide you must have 7.1.

As for the speakers and really the whole system for that matter, I'm not looking for something too powerful; simply a modest family home theater. I'll admit that if I had the space soley for myself I would be looking at higher quality equipment than what I listed above.
The only thing that needs to be fairly large is the sub, although you could use two smaller subs. The reason is that if you want movie rumble the sub(s) needs to move a bunch of air.

My wife just really doesn't want to walk into our living room and see a bunch of large speakers and A/V components everywhere so that is why I'm looking at smaller bookshelf/satellite speakers.
The speakers in the SVS system that I linked are 12" x 7" x 9.5". I use Usher S-520 speakers in my bedroom ($400pr) that are only 7.09" x 10.43" x 11.81" but their matched center ($380) needs a 4ohm capable receiver.

As for smaller I just can't help. As shadyJ suggested you might want to listen to Orb, the Nanosats, and the Energies that you mentioned. I just haven't heard them. The only micro satellites that I've used were Klipsch Quintets and they were ok if a tad fatiguing after a while.

How are the speakers/Subs by Energy (RC-Micro, etc.)?
Energy makes decent speakers (I haven't heard the micro) but again I wouldn't consider their subs. Buy your sub from a specialist. Hsu Research, SVSound, or Elemental Designs.

Sorry I couldn't be more help. Good luck with your search.
 
XEagleDriver

XEagleDriver

Audioholic Chief
Also consider Def Tech 800s

Are there any other quality speakers that are around that size that I should consider?
+1 on sticking with a better quality 5.1 set of speakers, rather than chasing a 7.1 set.
+1 on buying the Sub from SVS, HSU or ED.

For speakers, also consider Definitive Technology Pro Monitor 800s (~$145) and the corresponding Pro Center 1000 (~$220).

They are a bit larger than the Mirage or Energy's you are looking at, but not by much at only 5"W x 8-3/8"H x 5"D.

The Def Tech's have a much more robust woofer (4.5" diameter vs. a 2.5"-2.75" in the Mirage/Energy).

IMHO, the Def Tech is as small as I would go in a satellite speaker for the open floor plan you described.

Cheers,
XEagleDriver
 

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