Building a house, need some tips

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utepminerfan

Audiophyte
First of all I hope im posting in the right forum and thanks for all your help.
I am needing some information on what i will need to run through my walls. My builder is willing to put everything for me as long as i purchase the supplies. If i ask him to purchase these, he has told me that he would have to hire a professional and would increase the price.
Living room
32 inch tv, no surround sound, maybe eventually a blu ray connected to it.
Basement
tv as big as wife will allow, blu ray, xbox 360, and wiring for surround sound at a later date.
I have visited monoprice and priced some of the hdmi cable that i will need but wondering about wall plates to connect the tv.
Again thanks for any help. I am fairly new at this and your help would be great.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
First of all I hope im posting in the right forum and thanks for all your help.
I am needing some information on what i will need to run through my walls. My builder is willing to put everything for me as long as i purchase the supplies. If i ask him to purchase these, he has told me that he would have to hire a professional and would increase the price.
Living room
32 inch tv, no surround sound, maybe eventually a blu ray connected to it.
Basement
tv as big as wife will allow, blu ray, xbox 360, and wiring for surround sound at a later date.
I have visited monoprice and priced some of the hdmi cable that i will need but wondering about wall plates to connect the tv.
Again thanks for any help. I am fairly new at this and your help would be great.
I think before you make any decisions on parts, you should decide on specific locations of the viewing equipment and the specific location of your sources. That will help you better judge what you need.

Monoprice and Blue Jeans Cables will be your best bets for your connections. If you're going in-wall, stick with CL2 rated cables. I've seen some shoddy wall plates that degrade signal quality drastically, so choose those carefully.

I'm a firm believer in having little wiring slack. Maybe that's the wrong way of thinking, but try not to oversize your cables when running in and through walls. Also minimize bends and try to isolate any AV/data wires with respect to your power lines. If power is near, no data here.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Run surround anyway. Find a location for the equipment, possibly out of the way (maybe in its own small closet) and run some kind of conduit to the TV location. This not only makes it possible to run the cables without attaching them, it lets you change cabling in the future. Add a Cat5e to whatever you run to the TV- you may need it at some point and it's cheap.

If possible, leave any equipment that doesn't need to be accessed on a regular basis, like amps, receivers, processors, cable or satellite boxes, etc, out of sight. The only devices you need access to are the ones you need to put software into, like a CD/DVD, X-Box or something like that. Many TVs have a memory card slot, so that's not needed in the equipment area. If you can, put the first floor equipment closet over the one in the basement. That way, your electric circuits are run to one place only, you can connect both systems for parties (to play the same music) and it's out of the way. The TVs should be on the same circuit as the rest of the equipment. Terminating every connection in a plate is nice but it adds expense and connecting points. The chance of a connection failing increases as the number of connections increases, but it does look nice. Parts Express has just about everything you'll need for cabling, plates/inserts, mounts, etc. Whether you spend big bucks on interconnects and cabling is your call. I wouldn't use the cheapest cables but I also have found in having done hundreds of home installs, the most expensive cabling won't drastically improve the sound or picture quality unless what they're being compared with has a problem or is just inferior. Spending ten times more may make a .5% improvement, so....

Whatever wiring you do that will be hidden by paneling, drywall or anything else, PHOTOGRAPH EVERYTHING AND MAKE NOTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Use a video camera and narrate, make several copies and keep at least one in a place that's not in the house, on the computer and definitely not on a magnetic medium. Include distances from walls, floor/ceiling and anything else that will aid in finding the wires later. Don't rely on your memory for this. If you decide to run speaker wires for wall mounting speakers in the future, put a loop at the high location but also leave a tail that will reach the bottom of the wall, in case you decide to use floor standing speakers, instead. This will keep you from cutting holes up high to find the wire, splicing and making repairs that won't look right.

Re: tight bends on cables- there's a "minimum bend radius" for cabling, which is 4 times the cable's diameter. If you have a 1/2" cable, 2" radius is the minimum.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Run surround anyway. Find a location for the equipment, possibly out of the way (maybe in its own small closet) and run some kind of conduit to the TV location. This not only makes it possible to run the cables without attaching them, it lets you change cabling in the future. Add a Cat5e to whatever you run to the TV- you may need it at some point and it's cheap.

If possible, leave any equipment that doesn't need to be accessed on a regular basis, like amps, receivers, processors, cable or satellite boxes, etc, out of sight. The only devices you need access to are the ones you need to put software into, like a CD/DVD, X-Box or something like that. Many TVs have a memory card slot, so that's not needed in the equipment area. If you can, put the first floor equipment closet over the one in the basement. That way, your electric circuits are run to one place only, you can connect both systems for parties (to play the same music) and it's out of the way. The TVs should be on the same circuit as the rest of the equipment. Terminating every connection in a plate is nice but it adds expense and connecting points. The chance of a connection failing increases as the number of connections increases, but it does look nice. Parts Express has just about everything you'll need for cabling, plates/inserts, mounts, etc. Whether you spend big bucks on interconnects and cabling is your call. I wouldn't use the cheapest cables but I also have found in having done hundreds of home installs, the most expensive cabling won't drastically improve the sound or picture quality unless what they're being compared with has a problem or is just inferior. Spending ten times more may make a .5% improvement, so....

Whatever wiring you do that will be hidden by paneling, drywall or anything else, PHOTOGRAPH EVERYTHING AND MAKE NOTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Use a video camera and narrate, make several copies and keep at least one in a place that's not in the house, on the computer and definitely not on a magnetic medium. Include distances from walls, floor/ceiling and anything else that will aid in finding the wires later. Don't rely on your memory for this. If you decide to run speaker wires for wall mounting speakers in the future, put a loop at the high location but also leave a tail that will reach the bottom of the wall, in case you decide to use floor standing speakers, instead. This will keep you from cutting holes up high to find the wire, splicing and making repairs that won't look right.

Re: tight bends on cables- there's a "minimum bend radius" for cabling, which is 4 times the cable's diameter. If you have a 1/2" cable, 2" radius is the minimum.
I agree with the conduit advice. Run conduit to all locations you could conceivably use. That way you can change cables easily at any ime down the road.
 
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utepminerfan

Audiophyte
so this is what i have so far
running 2 hdmi wires to each tv and adding wall plates at each spot to keep it clean.
My builder is charging me $150 to bring his surround sound guy and pre wire everything else. and if he is willing to let me buy supplies from parts express or monoprice i might save some money. Hopefully it will be less since i am buying the hdmi wires for him.
 
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Tin Ears

Audiophyte
I don’t remember what I paid my low voltage installer but I remember this is one area where it’s very cheap to overdo it. Compared to what you’re spending for everything else, it's cheap insurance because once the wallboard goes up, adding wires is a comparative headache. Crutchfield.com has some helpful installation tips including simple technical information for new construction as well as advice on working with a contractor. You might check it out to enable you to understand what they are doing and to enable you to talk intelligently with them.

Add cable and extra wires where you don’t think you will need them. I can assure you, when your home is done, you will. It’s incredibly inexpensive. I didn’t run conduit and regret this.

I took both still photos and narrated video and find the still photos have better definition to see the wires but its sometimes difficult to know where in the house you are with them – especially if they are relatively close up. The narrated video doesn’t show small wires as well but you know where you are. As previously recommended, do both.

One more suggestion: After your insulation is installed, and before the wallboard is up, call the low voltage installer back or have your builder check connections. I used fiberglass insulation and they use long utility knives to cut and fit it. They inadvertently cut a few wires that would have been a nightmare to fix had the wallboard been up.
 
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