Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
My advice is to simply wait until you can afford a good subwoofer and don't buy anything at that price point. The Polk subwoofer you are considering has a -3dB point of 40 Hz, which is not deep at all for a subwoofer, and is not much deeper than a good bookshelf speaker and not deeper than just about any decent tower speaker.

The BIC subwoofer you are considering does not specify a -3dB point; that 37 Hz could be 6db, 10db, or any other amount down from the levels produced at higher frequencies. In other words, the specification they give is virtually meaningless.

What main speakers are you using?
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
j_garcia thanks those look like the outlaws a bit: Dayton SUB-100 10" 125 Watt Powered Subwoofer 300-633
Do you own them?

Pyrrho Got these new yesterday: Infinity Primus P162 loudspeaker | Stereophile.com

I also have a pair of JBL E20 and Whaf WH-2
Receiver: Onkyo 707
No center yet, but getting the 152's later when they go down in price.
Okay, so the -3dB point of your main speakers is 49Hz. You would notice an extra 9Hz, but I think you will find such a subwoofer ultimately unsatisfying. So I recommend waiting until you have more money for something that is really good. The resale value of a cheap subwoofer is very low, so you are likely to save money in the long run if you take my advice.

Keeping an eye on "B stock" SVS subwoofers is a good way to get a good subwoofer at a good price, but they are much more money than your current budget. I would simply wait.

One more piece of advice: When a manufacturer fails to specify a tolerance for the frequency response (e.g., "+/- 3dB"), the frequency response claim is worthless. Your main speakers could be rated down to 20Hz or below, if they were rated with a wide enough tolerance (perhaps -45dB; see measurement here).
 
afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
Pyrrho thank for the info. Don't think Dayton SUB-100 would be good for now?
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
The Dayton subs are budget subs, so they aren't spectacular, but you can't expect a lot in that price range. For a starter sub, the Daytons have been recommended on this site for many years. They will get you to the 25Hz range and that is about what you can expect in the under $500 sub market pretty much. If you want a better performing sub, you'll need to follow Pyrrho's advice and save up a bit.
 
afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
The Dayton subs are budget subs, so they aren't spectacular, but you can't expect a lot in that price range. For a starter sub, the Daytons have been recommended on this site for many years. They will get you to the 25Hz range and that is about what you can expect in the under $500 sub market pretty much. If you want a better performing sub, you'll need to follow Pyrrho's advice and save up a bit.
Ok maybe I'll wait and get the Outlaw M8. What do you guys think about that sub?
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Ok maybe I'll wait and get the Outlaw M8. What do you guys think about that sub?
The M8 says it will get to 29Hz. That will be adequate, but will also depend on the size of your room. An 8" sub isn't going to fill a medium to large room well. AFAIK, their subs are designed by HSU Research also, so should be a good performer.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
The only budget sub that I would look at, would be the M8.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
The STF-1 is only good to 32Hz. That's pushing it. Fine for music, but not going to do well for movies.
 
afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
Thanks guys looks like I can't do better than the M8 at the price range. This looks nice too Premier Acoustic PA-120. Darn decisions.
 
afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
Thanks jcl. I keep forgetting to ask why some woofers have speakers on the bottom and some on the front. Which is the better placement? Is there a difference in sound?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
In the audioholics review Infinity P162 Listening and Conclusion — Reviews and News from Audioholics
the reviewer said bass didn't kick in until closer to 80 hz. So you'll benefit from a sub.

B stock m8's are $225, hard to do better than that.

This thread in the sub forum has some other suggestions:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/subwoofers/76683-best-sub-under-$300.html
According to the anechoic measurements from NRC, the P162 's F3 is around 65Hz.

SoundStage! Measurements - Infinity Primus P162 Loudspeakers (11/2008)
 
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jcl

Senior Audioholic
According to the anechoic measurements from NRC, the P162 's F3 is around 65Hz.

SoundStage! Measurements - Infinity Primus P162 Loudspeakers (11/2008)
Thanks for the link. I think Pyrro had used the Infinity spec of 49 hz, and I wanted to point out that is a little optimistic. I have a pair as surrounds in my system, and like them. As mains, even for music only, they definitely would benefit from a sub, whether it goes to 32hz or lower.

To the OP, forward firing vs downward firing shouldn't matter much if properly implemented. If you have a 4" think shag carpet then you're better off with front firing. If you have little ones running around who might poke the cone, or see how many legos fit down the port, then downward firing is better.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
In my opinion, the first really good "this is what bass ought to be like" sub starts at $500 with the Rythmik FV12. If there's any way to save up for that sub, that's what I'd recommend doing.

Below that, you're forced into compromise. If you're mostly after the rumbles and booms in movies, and you're willing to give up some control and "tightness", the Elemental Designs (edesignaudio.com) has the A2-300 and A2-250 in the $350-$415 range - and lower if you can find a B-stock.

The HSU STF-2 is my "go to" for a $350 "music is important to me" sub. Won't hit super low, but it's nice and clean and accurate and pretty darn capable all around.

Outlaw Audio has sister models to the HSU brand subs, so it's much the same story as HSU.

Below that, I say you have two options:

1) wait and save

2) spend as little as possible so that you can save up that much faster for the $500 Rythmik FV12 or something even more expensive than that!

If you go with option 2, I'd say to only do it because you just "gotta have a sub, man!" and you're going in with the full knowledge that this isn't going to satisfy you for long and that it's a temporary sub that WILL get upgraded!

That said, my "go to" is easily the Onkyo SKW-204 . $120 at Amazon and under $100 if you do a google product search and are willing to risk an unauthorized retailer.

The Onkyo SKW-204 always manages to put a smile on my face whenever I hear it. It's got no right to sound as good as it does for its price :p I'd take the Onkyo SKW-204 over any other sub that costs less than $350. Not because it's literally the best under $350, but because it's so cheap and actually pretty good, which means that spending more might get you a little bit better, but not much, and IMO, not worth any extra $$$ because the SKW-204 will let you save up for a "real" sub that much faster!

It's a value bet for me. So I say to save up for the $500 Rythmik FV12 if at all possible. Pick between movie rumbles or accurate music with the $350 eD A2-250 or HSU STF-2, respectively. And if you can't muster those and you just GOTTA have a sub in your system somehow, then skimp as much as possible on the price, but still get rather amusingly good sound from the $100-$120 Onkyo SKW-204 so that you can save up without sinking hardly any money into this "temporary" sub!
 
afterlife2

afterlife2

Audioholic Warlord
FirstReflection thanks for your help. Onkyo SKW-204 that good eh?
Why some woofers have speakers on the bottom and some up on the front. Any difference in sound?
 
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