Bose speakers freq. response

[captiankirk28]

I was just goofing around and thought i would see if i could get some kind of answer about freq. response from Bose for its speakers and this is what i got hope you enjoy




Bose Response to me:
Bose's Response: Thank you for your inquiry. Bose Corporation does not publish frequency responses, simply because they are not accurate and usually will mislead the customer.
Frequency responses are usually measured with testing equipment set up in an anechoic chamber. An anechoic chamber is an isolated room designed so that sound will not reflect off any surfaces. Giving out such frequency response results is terrific- for those people who live in anechoic chambers! Most of us listen to our systems in rooms with very reflective surfaces, such as plaster, brick, glass, and dry wall, so the frequency response that a manufacturer may supply is no longer accurate. Just as no two rooms have the same dimensions, nor are they decorated exactly the same or have the same construction, no two rooms will sound the same when using the exact same speakers and amplifier.
For example, if you were to place any speaker in a room with no carpeting and wooden furniture, you would hear something completely different than if they were placed in a room with shag carpeting and plush furniture. Perhaps
this can be equated by imagining a single lighted candle placed in a room with completely black floors, walls and ceiling. Obviously, the same candle when placed in a room with white surroundings will appear to be emitting
much more light than when placed in the first room with black surroundings, as the light will reflect a great deal more off the white surfaces. Sound reflects off surfaces, much like light does. The surroundings make the speakers sound different in the same manner, because they actually are able to reproduce different frequencies via sound reflection and speaker placement.

We hope you do not take the fact that we do not publish speaker frequency responses personally. We do not publish our speakers specifications to anybody, whether it be before or after they have purchased a speaker system of ours. We simply invite our customers ....

 

[Soundman]

I was just goofing around and thought i would see if i could get some kind of answer about freq. response from Bose for its speakers and this is what i got hope you enjoy




Bose Response to me:
Bose's Response: Thank you for your inquiry. Bose Corporation does not publish frequency responses, simply because they are not accurate and usually will mislead the customer.
Frequency responses are usually measured with testing equipment set up in an anechoic chamber. An anechoic chamber is an isolated room designed so that sound will not reflect off any surfaces. Giving out such frequency response results is terrific- for those people who live in anechoic chambers! Most of us listen to our systems in rooms with very reflective surfaces, such as plaster, brick, glass, and dry wall, so the frequency response that a manufacturer may supply is no longer accurate. Just as no two rooms have the same dimensions, nor are they decorated exactly the same or have the same construction, no two rooms will sound the same when using the exact same speakers and amplifier.
For example, if you were to place any speaker in a room with no carpeting and wooden furniture, you would hear something completely different than if they were placed in a room with shag carpeting and plush furniture. Perhaps
this can be equated by imagining a single lighted candle placed in a room with completely black floors, walls and ceiling. Obviously, the same candle when placed in a room with white surroundings will appear to be emitting
much more light than when placed in the first room with black surroundings, as the light will reflect a great deal more off the white surfaces. Sound reflects off surfaces, much like light does. The surroundings make the speakers sound different in the same manner, because they actually are able to reproduce different frequencies via sound reflection and speaker placement.

We hope you do not take the fact that we do not publish speaker frequency responses personally. We do not publish our speakers specifications to anybody, whether it be before or after they have purchased a speaker system of ours. We simply invite our customers ....

Wow! Those people at Bose really know how to talk some B.S. don't they!

 

[Seth=L]

I would ask about the frequency gab between the Acoustimass module and the satalite cube speakers. I would also ask why you can localize the subwoofer. I would also ask if your receiver has too much or not enough power for them. Tell them you have one of those H/K receivers rated for 30 watts per channel in one room and another 100 watt per channel rated receiver in another room and which would be best to power a Bose system.

 

[MDS]

While I agree that the Bose reply was a weasel kind of answer, everything that was said is 100% accurate. 100% accurate... and irrelevant.

Everyone that knows even a smidgeon about audio knows that the room itself affects the sound, but why start with something that is so flawed to begin with? When the room gets done with it, it will sound even worse; better to start with something at least reasonably accurate and then try to compensate for the room with room treatments - whether they be actual room treatment products or furniture, drapes, bookcases, etc.

 

[captiankirk28]

Yes their answer is unbeliveable love the analigy, what a bunch of crooks!

 

[smurphy522]

Their response says it all

I love how they state "simply because they are not accurate", do they refer to the specifications or to their speakers? Also in the same sentence they state: "and usually will mislead the customer", again do they refer to the specification or the speakers? Any sales person pushing Bose is doing just that. Bose also has a "wonderful training program" (I can speak from expereince as I am an ex CC sales/store Mgr.)

Bose sells mostly because of their margin (to the store)....period! If there was no margin stores would not push them. While they are a somewhat easy sell, due to the high WAF and the brand recognition (to those not in the know).

My rant is complete now. Thank you for reading.

 

[Midcow2]

I need them as my tax consultant ...

.. if only the IRS would accept such a response.

 

[ChunkyDark]

I love how they state "simply because they are not accurate", do they refer to the specifications or to their speakers? Also in the same sentence they state: "and usually will mislead the customer", again do they refer to the specification or the speakers? Any sales person pushing Bose is doing just that. Bose also has a "wonderful training program" (I can speak from expereince as I am an ex CC sales/store Mgr.)

Bose sells mostly because of their margin (to the store)....period! If there was no margin stores would not push them. While they are a somewhat easy sell, due to the high WAF and the brand recognition (to those not in the know).

My rant is complete now. Thank you for reading.

I'm sorry, are you feeling better now?

I also worked for CC, but I'm not sure if they are really any better or worse than any other commission based (previously) retail store.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Maybe you should have responded with that reputable speaker makers do publish frequency response and it does have meaning to those who care and in the know what to expect from those speakers
Or, that you have seen 3rd party measurements and that 'your' speakers are awful.

ps. you should have asked what they mean by "simply because they are not accurate",
Do they mean their speakers are not accurate? That too is the truth.

 

[furrycute]

I think the next time when the IRS asks me to pay my taxes, I will follow Bose' line of reasoning.

Simply because my earnings vary tremendously from season to season, I thus feel that an arbitrarily fixed income tax by no way is a reflection of my true earnings potential. Thus I choose not to submit any income tax... We will see if the IRS will come after me or not...

 

[no. 5]

ps. you should have asked what they mean by "simply because they are not accurate",
Do they mean their speakers are not accurate? That too is the truth.

Bose marketing is accurate! They hide behind ambiguous phraseology!

Observe that the original statement can appeal to the Bosephile, or be truthful depending on the definition of "they":

"Bose Corporation does not publish frequency responses, simply because they (frequency response) are not accurate and usually will mislead the customer."

"Bose Corporation does not publish frequency responses, simply because they (Bose Corporation) are not accurate and usually will mislead the customer."

 

[smurphy522]

I'm sorry, are you feeling better now?

I also worked for CC, but I'm not sure if they are really any better or worse than any other commission based (previously) retail store.

I wasn't touting CC (claiming them to be better than others), just stating that Brick and Mortar stores tend to push the higher margin products. Bose being higher margin to the store helps them gain the "push". Bose being sold at "higher than the value" prices (as they always have) makes many consumers think "hey, these are a little pricey but worth it!" At least that is what I recall many consumer reactions were when the Bose demo was run.

 

[ChunkyDark]

I wasn't touting CC (claiming them to be better than others), just stating that Brick and Mortar stores tend to push the higher margin products. Bose being higher margin to the store helps them gain the "push". Bose being sold at "higher than the value" prices (as they always have) makes many consumers think "hey, these are a little pricey but worth it!" At least that is what I recall many consumer reactions were when the Bose demo was run.

As a previous sales assoc and manager I agree. It was hard not to sell to the highest paying item when you work 100% commission. The exception was the items with high return rates since you didn't want to take the hit.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Bose marketing is accurate! They hide behind ambiguous phraseology!

Observe that the original statement can appeal to the Bosephile, or be truthful depending on the definition of "they":

"Bose Corporation does not publish frequency responses, simply because they (frequency response) are not accurate and usually will mislead the customer."

"Bose Corporation does not publish frequency responses, simply because they (Bose Corporation) are not accurate and usually will mislead the customer."

Yes.!!! Why didn't I see this. They are truthful in what they say

 

[croseiv]

They won't share because then all of their marketing blather will go right out the door.

 

[Pyrrho]

Really, the marketing BS Bose uses is very similar to what one sees from very high end companies, where it is all magic and nonsense. Just read some blather about very expensive high end amplifiers, and you will see some examples of what I mean.

 

[Soundman]

Really, the marketing BS Bose uses is very similar to what one sees from very high end companies, where it is all magic and nonsense. Just read some blather about very expensive high end amplifiers, and you will see some examples of what I mean.

I'm sure there is alot of marketing BS out there, including high end amplifiers, but the difference is that most high end amplifiers will perform well, even if you may have paid too much for it. Bose, on the other hand is a product the will perform poorly, you will over pay for, and they are anything but "high end".